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Displacement - a bit wussy eh? Mirror image too...
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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 4128757" data-attributes="member: 114"><p>I've never held with the idea that balance can be inferred by two strongly opposing opinions about a subject. I think that something is typically balanced if the consensus is that it is balanced (or at least the majority). If there are two different views it just means that it is controversial, not that it is balanced!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. The principle that they've taken for creating these powers should theoretically allow them to be models of simplicity and clarity - but just on this page alone I don't think they seem to be.</p><p></p><p>I would have expected issues like this to have been considered when the text was still in the galley stage, well before it made it to print layout!</p><p></p><p>The displacement spell mechanics raises another question in my mind (which might have been addressed in other general text somewhere we haven't seen yet). How do various reroll abilities interact? The elf shoots at a halfling. He uses Elven accuracy to re-roll the attack. The Halfling wants to use his second chance... does he do that after the Elf has determined the actual results of his roll, or can the Elf use his elven accuracy *after* the halfling has used his second chance to force a reroll of the initial attack?</p><p></p><p>What if the elven ranger wants to "Split the Tree" and so rolls twice and takes the best one, but even that isn't so good and he wants to use elven accuracy - does he reroll one of those two attack rolls or both of them, or compare his re-roll to his final result? </p><p></p><p>If the elven ranger wants to use Split the Tree to shoot two enemies, a halfling and a kobold. He wants to use his elven accuracy and the halfling wants to use his Second Chance and his wizard friend wants to use displacement on the halfling. What combination of rolls are going to be used then?</p><p></p><p>I wonder how the rules will handle these kind of combinations which exist just amongst the handful of rules we know?</p><p></p><p>(I wish they'd let me be a playtester <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</p><p></p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 4128757, member: 114"] I've never held with the idea that balance can be inferred by two strongly opposing opinions about a subject. I think that something is typically balanced if the consensus is that it is balanced (or at least the majority). If there are two different views it just means that it is controversial, not that it is balanced! I agree. The principle that they've taken for creating these powers should theoretically allow them to be models of simplicity and clarity - but just on this page alone I don't think they seem to be. I would have expected issues like this to have been considered when the text was still in the galley stage, well before it made it to print layout! The displacement spell mechanics raises another question in my mind (which might have been addressed in other general text somewhere we haven't seen yet). How do various reroll abilities interact? The elf shoots at a halfling. He uses Elven accuracy to re-roll the attack. The Halfling wants to use his second chance... does he do that after the Elf has determined the actual results of his roll, or can the Elf use his elven accuracy *after* the halfling has used his second chance to force a reroll of the initial attack? What if the elven ranger wants to "Split the Tree" and so rolls twice and takes the best one, but even that isn't so good and he wants to use elven accuracy - does he reroll one of those two attack rolls or both of them, or compare his re-roll to his final result? If the elven ranger wants to use Split the Tree to shoot two enemies, a halfling and a kobold. He wants to use his elven accuracy and the halfling wants to use his Second Chance and his wizard friend wants to use displacement on the halfling. What combination of rolls are going to be used then? I wonder how the rules will handle these kind of combinations which exist just amongst the handful of rules we know? (I wish they'd let me be a playtester :)) Cheers [/QUOTE]
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