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<blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 8629930" data-attributes="member: 7029588">Not at all actually.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is something very much fixed in PF2e vs. 3e/pf1e.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is very very hard to make a bad character by accident in PF2e.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most of the raw power of the class is baked in to the class chasis with options much more focused on breath or trade offs rather than baseline competency.&nbsp; &nbsp; Much more like 4e in this respect.&nbsp;&nbsp; There are certainly some options that are a little better but in small degrees.&nbsp; &nbsp; Some people I think would argue that some of the non PHB classes are a little weaker than they should be but that is a different issue (and if they are it's not that they are unplayable just could have been a little better tuned for people that really care about class balance).In terms of optimizing actions, I would say this is an area where one character could pull ahead of another.&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, it's not like the person non-optimizing would be useless but you would see a difference in a Fighter who just stands there and attacks three times (very sub-optimal) and a Fighter invested in Intimidate to apply debuffs with their 3rd action.&nbsp; I haven't played enough to fully answer the question on reactions -- but I'd guess less so than 4e but there are some.&nbsp;&nbsp; Only some monsters get opportunity attacks so there is that....I would strongly encourage anyone who likes 4e to check out PF2e.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not a pure successor to 4e but as my ratings above indicate it shares a lot of the principles of 4e, even if it implements them differently.&nbsp;&nbsp; The victory weighting for PF2e is similar to 4e:Character building -- not a huge effectParty building -- importantResource management -- varies by class but in general low to medium.&nbsp; Tactical play -- very importantMaybe not in the very easiest form to digest but everything is free on Archives of Nethys.&nbsp; One warning although maybe not needed for a 4e fan -- PF2e also plays better than it reads.&nbsp;&nbsp; For instance it is hard to understand in a read how using an action to move away from a monster can be a very good defensive move -- if your speed is greater the monster may have to spend 2 actions to get to you and even if the same it has to use one action which could prevent a big 3 action attack.&nbsp; Similarly, coming from other games it is not intuitive that small bonuses are worth more in PF2e because of the critical success and failure ruleSeems like we should also add to the 4e list (with PF2e also sharing):More focus on party composition and party tactics vs. character creation optimization.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bert1001 fka bert1000, post: 8629930, member: 7029588"] Not at all actually. This is something very much fixed in PF2e vs. 3e/pf1e. It is very very hard to make a bad character by accident in PF2e. Most of the raw power of the class is baked in to the class chasis with options much more focused on breath or trade offs rather than baseline competency. Much more like 4e in this respect. There are certainly some options that are a little better but in small degrees. Some people I think would argue that some of the non PHB classes are a little weaker than they should be but that is a different issue (and if they are it's not that they are unplayable just could have been a little better tuned for people that really care about class balance). In terms of optimizing actions, I would say this is an area where one character could pull ahead of another. Again, it's not like the person non-optimizing would be useless but you would see a difference in a Fighter who just stands there and attacks three times (very sub-optimal) and a Fighter invested in Intimidate to apply debuffs with their 3rd action. I haven't played enough to fully answer the question on reactions -- but I'd guess less so than 4e but there are some. Only some monsters get opportunity attacks so there is that.... I would strongly encourage anyone who likes 4e to check out PF2e. It's not a pure successor to 4e but as my ratings above indicate it shares a lot of the principles of 4e, even if it implements them differently. The victory weighting for PF2e is similar to 4e: Character building -- not a huge effect Party building -- important Resource management -- varies by class but in general low to medium. Tactical play -- very important Maybe not in the very easiest form to digest but everything is free on Archives of Nethys. One warning although maybe not needed for a 4e fan -- PF2e also plays better than it reads. For instance it is hard to understand in a read how using an action to move away from a monster can be a very good defensive move -- if your speed is greater the monster may have to spend 2 actions to get to you and even if the same it has to use one action which could prevent a big 3 action attack. Similarly, coming from other games it is not intuitive that small bonuses are worth more in PF2e because of the critical success and failure rule Seems like we should also add to the 4e list (with PF2e also sharing): [B]More focus on party composition and party tactics vs. character creation optimization.[/B] [/QUOTE]

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