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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7348169" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I'll be the first to agree that there's a lot of gray areas in 5E, and a lot of DM adjudication.&nbsp; It's been mentioned on podcasts for example that they had detailed stealth rules and decided to toss them for more of a &quot;the DM decides&quot; approach.&nbsp; I think that's a better direction and leads to less rules-lawyering than there was in 3.x/Pathfinder.So in the case of sneaking past the guard, no I would not consider that an attack.&nbsp; You are not actively trying to lead to the death, dismemberment or disembowelment of an opponent.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is that a judgement call?&nbsp; Yep.In the case of discussing tactics in the middle of combat, no I don't think that would rise to the level of being enough assistance to be considered an attack. Then again I don't think it rises to the level of granting advantage either.If an invisible PC can help the rogue get advantage every round, the rogue is potentially significantly more deadly and it may make the most sense for the invisible PC to do that on a regular basis.&nbsp; Suddenly invisibility is effectively an offensive spell.There are other situations where my ruling is applicable than this.&nbsp; Let's say there's a bear trap nearby.&nbsp; The invisible PC puts the bear trap in the same square as the opponent.&nbsp; Technically they have not attacked because the PC did not make an attack roll, even though the opponent will have to roll to avoid the trap on their turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7348169, member: 6801845"] I'll be the first to agree that there's a lot of gray areas in 5E, and a lot of DM adjudication. It's been mentioned on podcasts for example that they had detailed stealth rules and decided to toss them for more of a "the DM decides" approach. I think that's a better direction and leads to less rules-lawyering than there was in 3.x/Pathfinder. So in the case of sneaking past the guard, no I would not consider that an attack. You are not actively trying to lead to the death, dismemberment or disembowelment of an opponent. Is that a judgement call? Yep. In the case of discussing tactics in the middle of combat, no I don't think that would rise to the level of being enough assistance to be considered an attack. Then again I don't think it rises to the level of granting advantage either. If an invisible PC can help the rogue get advantage every round, the rogue is potentially significantly more deadly and it may make the most sense for the invisible PC to do that on a regular basis. Suddenly invisibility is effectively an offensive spell. There are other situations where my ruling is applicable than this. Let's say there's a bear trap nearby. The invisible PC puts the bear trap in the same square as the opponent. [I]Technically[/I] they have not attacked because the PC did not make an attack roll, even though the opponent will have to roll to avoid the trap on their turn. [/QUOTE]

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