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<blockquote data-quote="WyzardWhately" data-source="post: 3867330" data-attributes="member: 33207">In 4E, you gain a level 29 times from 1st to 30th.&nbsp; It is assumed that there will be 10 fights per level.&nbsp; That comes up to 290 fights, assuming the social and skill challenges are maybe balanced out by the occasional lesser fight.&nbsp; More or less.&nbsp; The monster manual is, I think, 288 pages, with how many monsters?Divide that number of fights by how many monsters there are.&nbsp; Accounting for repeats and multiples (A whole bunch of orcs at once, frex), what does this look like over the course of the game?&nbsp; If we made a bar chart of all levels of the game, with each monster counting at the most appropriate level to encounter it at, do you think it'd be likely to have any odd mountains or valleys?Also, what do PCs do at thirtieth level?&nbsp; If the game stops there, do they continue to fight on without XP, simply gaining more treasure and legendary status?&nbsp; Or is there a more defined end-point?&nbsp; If they don't gain XP, how much benefit is there to giving an XP award for 30th level monsters?&nbsp; Are there monsters *above* thirtieth level, for a really good fight, or is that niche adequately covered by elite and boss style monsters of the thirtieth level?&nbsp; Again, I find only more questions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WyzardWhately, post: 3867330, member: 33207"] In 4E, you gain a level 29 times from 1st to 30th. It is assumed that there will be 10 fights per level. That comes up to 290 fights, assuming the social and skill challenges are maybe balanced out by the occasional lesser fight. More or less. The monster manual is, I think, 288 pages, with how many monsters? Divide that number of fights by how many monsters there are. Accounting for repeats and multiples (A whole bunch of orcs at once, frex), what does this look like over the course of the game? If we made a bar chart of all levels of the game, with each monster counting at the most appropriate level to encounter it at, do you think it'd be likely to have any odd mountains or valleys? Also, what do PCs do at thirtieth level? If the game stops there, do they continue to fight on without XP, simply gaining more treasure and legendary status? Or is there a more defined end-point? If they don't gain XP, how much benefit is there to giving an XP award for 30th level monsters? Are there monsters *above* thirtieth level, for a really good fight, or is that niche adequately covered by elite and boss style monsters of the thirtieth level? Again, I find only more questions. [/QUOTE]

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