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Divine Challenge: Switching targets means you don't have to engage?
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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 5005046" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>First off, thanks to everyone for a nice calm rationale debate...this has been a lot of fun.</p><p></p><p>I will argue a couple more points.</p><p></p><p>If the rules text resets with everyone use of challenge, then I would argue that there is no purpose in the clause "Engage your challenged target or challenge a new target".</p><p></p><p></p><p>If whenever I challenge a target I must engage him, then the text could simply read "You must engage the target you challenged.".</p><p></p><p>If I change targets with the power, and the text resets as many are arguing, then the idea of changing your target is absolutely meaningless as I must always engage. There is no choice at all, so why is one presented?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Second, there can be some argument that effects of the first use of the power could effect the second use. Here is one made up example.</p><p></p><p>Let us say I had two encounter powers that did the following:</p><p></p><p>Target: One creature. Special: You receive an additional +2 to hit with this power if you have Combat Advantage. Hit: The target is stunned. </p><p></p><p></p><p>With the first use of the power I don't have combat advantage, I take the creature and stun him. Now I use an action point and use the power again. I now have combat advantage, and get an additional +2 to hit with the power. The effects of the first power have changed the effects of the second power.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Divine Challenge says "On your turn, the following must happen.". On your turn can be interpreted to mean at any point during that turn. Beginning, middle, end, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The text says that on your turn one of two things must happen. I must engage a challenged enemy or challenge a new target. When I use the power to change target, I meet that criteria. Even if I reset the instructions and read the power again, I still met the criteria that at some point on my turn I did challenge a new target.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't say with each new use of the power I have to do it, it just says that on my turn it has to happen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 5005046, member: 5889"] First off, thanks to everyone for a nice calm rationale debate...this has been a lot of fun. I will argue a couple more points. If the rules text resets with everyone use of challenge, then I would argue that there is no purpose in the clause "Engage your challenged target or challenge a new target". If whenever I challenge a target I must engage him, then the text could simply read "You must engage the target you challenged.". If I change targets with the power, and the text resets as many are arguing, then the idea of changing your target is absolutely meaningless as I must always engage. There is no choice at all, so why is one presented? Second, there can be some argument that effects of the first use of the power could effect the second use. Here is one made up example. Let us say I had two encounter powers that did the following: Target: One creature. Special: You receive an additional +2 to hit with this power if you have Combat Advantage. Hit: The target is stunned. With the first use of the power I don't have combat advantage, I take the creature and stun him. Now I use an action point and use the power again. I now have combat advantage, and get an additional +2 to hit with the power. The effects of the first power have changed the effects of the second power. Divine Challenge says "On your turn, the following must happen.". On your turn can be interpreted to mean at any point during that turn. Beginning, middle, end, etc. The text says that on your turn one of two things must happen. I must engage a challenged enemy or challenge a new target. When I use the power to change target, I meet that criteria. Even if I reset the instructions and read the power again, I still met the criteria that at some point on my turn I did challenge a new target. It doesn't say with each new use of the power I have to do it, it just says that on my turn it has to happen. [/QUOTE]
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