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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 1452088" data-attributes="member: 1210">I really like both the name and the concept, but I don't see it as an exalted class.&nbsp; I mean, why can't a neutral or evil guy be a diplomatic deceiver?&nbsp; It is currently overpowered.&nbsp; As you yourself noticed, bards basically give up nothing here.&nbsp; Let me throw a few things your way to prod you and see what you think.First off, why does this guy gain bardic music and knowledge?&nbsp; Instead, why not give him something more socially-based- maybe an Ear to the Ground ability, that works sort of like bardic knowledge, but that tells him about what's going on around him right now rather than legends.&nbsp; So he might somehow learn that the local thieves' guild is about to steal the Duke's crown jewels or whatever, from his contacts or something.Second, I don't see him as being a major spellcaster.&nbsp; I'd drop the spells to every other level or at least kick off 3 levels somewhere, and trade out the Sanctified Spell feat for something else.&nbsp; But you obviously like the idea of the DD as a major caster, so you might want to drop something else there somewhere instead.&nbsp; (As I said, I love the idea, but my dm good-villain drool kicked in when I first read the name, so I'll prolly do up something a lil different inspired by this- Master Prevaricator, I think? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)I'd probably put a non-exalted twist on this guy, myself... but that's strictly personal preference.&nbsp; As I said, I really like the idea of evil (or, especially, neutral) diplomatic deceivers.&nbsp; So I would call Saint's Tongue something else (Snake's Tongue?).&nbsp; And, obviously, switch out the exalted stuff.&nbsp; But that's just me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It's a really cool class, but it definitely needs something dropped- both sorcerers and bards really gain lots and lose nothing when they take this class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 1452088, member: 1210"] I really like both the name and the concept, but I don't see it as an exalted class. I mean, why can't a neutral or evil guy be a diplomatic deceiver? It is currently overpowered. As you yourself noticed, bards basically give up nothing here. Let me throw a few things your way to prod you and see what you think. First off, why does this guy gain bardic music and knowledge? Instead, why not give him something more socially-based- maybe an Ear to the Ground ability, that works sort of like bardic knowledge, but that tells him about what's going on around him [i]right now rather than legends.[/i] So he might somehow learn that the local thieves' guild is about to steal the Duke's crown jewels or whatever, from his contacts or something. Second, I don't see him as being a major spellcaster. I'd drop the spells to every other level or at least kick off 3 levels somewhere, and trade out the Sanctified Spell feat for something else. But you obviously like the idea of the DD as a major caster, so you might want to drop something else there somewhere instead. (As I said, I love the idea, but my dm good-villain drool kicked in when I first read the name, so I'll prolly do up something a lil different inspired by this- Master Prevaricator, I think? :)) I'd probably put a non-exalted twist on this guy, myself... but that's strictly personal preference. As I said, I really like the idea of evil (or, especially, neutral) diplomatic deceivers. So I would call Saint's Tongue something else (Snake's Tongue?). And, obviously, switch out the exalted stuff. But that's just me. :) It's a really cool class, but it definitely needs something dropped- both sorcerers and bards really gain lots and lose nothing when they take this class. [/QUOTE]

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