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<blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 1627873" data-attributes="member: 18680">Divine metamagic:a) does not stack with other magic so maximized, sudden empowered is more powerful than is possible with DMMb) It takes at least 2 feats (using the errata'ed version of the feat or with a proper reading of the original -- requires metamagic feat plus DMM(MMF)) for something that is probably 1/day as well.&nbsp; With a weak metamagic feat (silent), a very high CHA or more feats (extra turning) it might be possible to get 2/day for 2 feats.&nbsp; Qucken, for example, takes 5 turn attempts.&nbsp; That is a 14 CHA or a third feat (extra turning) just to use 1/day.&nbsp; An 18 CHA caster (base 7) will be able to do 2/day with 3 feats, 3/day for 4 feats and 4/day with 6 feats and that is only possible with 18 CHA; a 10 CHA caster needs 3 feats for 1/day and 4 feats for 2/day and 6 feats for 3/day.&nbsp; A non human cleric has 7 feats at 20th level (if you are human you get 8).&nbsp; This requires making DMM a major focus for a limited number of uses per day; I would allow this without a qualm.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Votan, post: 1627873, member: 18680"] Divine metamagic: a) does not stack with other magic so maximized, sudden empowered is more powerful than is possible with DMM b) It takes at least 2 feats (using the errata'ed version of the feat or with a proper reading of the original -- requires metamagic feat plus DMM(MMF)) for something that is probably 1/day as well. With a weak metamagic feat (silent), a very high CHA or more feats (extra turning) it might be possible to get 2/day for 2 feats. Qucken, for example, takes 5 turn attempts. That is a 14 CHA or a third feat (extra turning) just to use 1/day. An 18 CHA caster (base 7) will be able to do 2/day with 3 feats, 3/day for 4 feats and 4/day with 6 feats and that is only possible with 18 CHA; a 10 CHA caster needs 3 feats for 1/day and 4 feats for 2/day and 6 feats for 3/day. A non human cleric has 7 feats at 20th level (if you are human you get 8). This requires making DMM a major focus for a limited number of uses per day; I would allow this without a qualm. [/QUOTE]

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