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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 2580630" data-attributes="member: 2525">I'm telling you a human Cleric of the Pantheon who chooses Planning & Undeath as his domains (which gets him Extend and Extra Turning for free) and takes Persistant and Divine Metamagic and gets one or more Nightsticks (from Libris Mortis - cheap item that grants 4 extra turning attempts per day, and they apparently stack with each other) and who uses this incredibly abusive combination to persist spells like Divine Favor and Rightous Might and Divine Power is WAY WAY WAY better than a your fighter - and a game breaker.Cleric builds that are based around Persistant Spell and Divine Metamagic don't stop with just one persistant spell.  It's like an addiction.  Once your BAB is equal to a fighters from one persistant spell, you don't stop there.  You then stack on the damage bonuses that were meant to make you powerful for one fight (or part of one fight) and make them all-day every-day.If you don't believe me, I'd be happy to work out some theoretical builds with you and show you how a Cleric can and will be a better melee fighter than a Fighter of the same level, at almost any level, if you allow this combination.</blockquote>