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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 1444612" data-attributes="member: 2167"><p>I have one small little argument to your logic here. Take it with a grain of salt, its not meant to be insulting. I am just taking the devil's side on this one.</p><p></p><p>Argument = They are clerics. They receive divinly granted powers. </p><p></p><p>Arcane casters dont. For an arcane caster, Legerdemain is an extension of learning how to use <em>Mage Hand</em> and that makes perfect sense for THEM - arcane casters learn their abilities through practice and spells. it makes sense that spell-like and supernatural abilities grow as extensions of previously learned skills.</p><p></p><p>That is just completely not so for a cleric. Clerics are Granted their powers, they dont "learn" them in the fasion arcane casters do. In fact, clerics are granted arcane spells in many of their domains, as well as arcane spell-like and supernatural abilities in many of the clerical PrCs. "Ranged Legerdemain" is also defined as a Supernatural ability of which clerics can gain almost any (Su) ability you can think of if it relates to their deity.</p><p></p><p>Also, why Dont clerics fit the Trickster design? Are you saying you cant have Rogue/Clerics? What about the Patron Rogue Deities: Olidammara, Nerull, Garl Glittergold, Vergadain, Erevan Ilesere, Mask, Brandobaris, Cyric, Shargaas, Loki, etc.... None of these deities of Thieves, Thievery, Mischief and Murder would grant such a power??</p><p></p><p>Sorry but that just doesnt make sense to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 1444612, member: 2167"] I have one small little argument to your logic here. Take it with a grain of salt, its not meant to be insulting. I am just taking the devil's side on this one. Argument = They are clerics. They receive divinly granted powers. Arcane casters dont. For an arcane caster, Legerdemain is an extension of learning how to use [i]Mage Hand[/i] and that makes perfect sense for THEM - arcane casters learn their abilities through practice and spells. it makes sense that spell-like and supernatural abilities grow as extensions of previously learned skills. That is just completely not so for a cleric. Clerics are Granted their powers, they dont "learn" them in the fasion arcane casters do. In fact, clerics are granted arcane spells in many of their domains, as well as arcane spell-like and supernatural abilities in many of the clerical PrCs. "Ranged Legerdemain" is also defined as a Supernatural ability of which clerics can gain almost any (Su) ability you can think of if it relates to their deity. Also, why Dont clerics fit the Trickster design? Are you saying you cant have Rogue/Clerics? What about the Patron Rogue Deities: Olidammara, Nerull, Garl Glittergold, Vergadain, Erevan Ilesere, Mask, Brandobaris, Cyric, Shargaas, Loki, etc.... None of these deities of Thieves, Thievery, Mischief and Murder would grant such a power?? Sorry but that just doesnt make sense to me. [/QUOTE]
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