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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Salthorae" data-source="post: 3413079" data-attributes="member: 1095">I'm an admitted powergamer by preference, but I really don't see Rich's Divine Trickster as too powerful. I'm confused by some of what you say Nifft:How? Bluff & Hide req's of 9 ranks, Sneak Attack of 2d6 (Rog3), and 2nd level divine spells from Specific Domains (Chaos, Luck, or Trickery) & Turn Undead (Cle3). These all say you have to be 6th level before you can take it. d6 is a loss from straight cleric... What you get:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Wis bonus to magical trap related skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the Feat (normally Extraordinary ability as a feat) Domain Spontaneity for one of the Prereq domains to the class</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Ability to Sneak Attack Undead: by using a Turn undead attempt & it lasts 1rd/pt of Charisma modifier. If you're focusing on Dex and Wis as a Rog/Cle, Cha prolly isn't high. So not many Turn attempts/day and not long on the duration for this ability. In actuality with Base stats (Cha12-15)? Probably 4-5 time's/day for a duration of 1-2 rounds, you'd be luck to get on the upper end of that with a Point Buy for Stats considering you have to focus on Dex and Wis...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Hide in Plain sight (1st level ability of a Shadowdancer, which you have to be 7th level to qualify for, so you can HiPS at the exact same level as a 1st level Shadowdancer if you optimise, woohoo!)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Slippery Mind: one of the Rogue Special Abilities, but as an Su, not a Ex as normal. Plus as a straight Rogue you can get Slippery Mind at Level 10, here you get it earliest at level 15)</li> </ul>So you get some Su abilities that are all canceled by Antimagic Field where as at least the Domain Spontineity and the Slippery Mind would normally still function even in an AMF since they are normally Extraordinary abilities (though since you can't cast spells in or our it's a little moot <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) What you lose if you go Cle3/Rog7/DT10:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You drop from 8+Int to 4+Int for skills for 10 of the 20 levels, plus the levels of Cle at 2+Int</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Access to the higher Rogue abilities (Improved Uncanny Dodge, Trapsense over +2, and the whole rest of the other Rog Special Abilities except Slippery Mind,*Sneak attack is same +9d6 over all for 17th level Rog'ish char)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Access to Cle spells over 7th level (and unless you have a 24 Wisdom, you're only getting 2 at that level per day too)</li> </ul>If you go Rog3/Cle7/DT10 you lose:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Another 4 levels of the 8+Int for skill pts down to 4+Int</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Uncanny Dodge, Trap Sense over +1, and 2d6 of Sneak Attack over all (+7d6 total @ 20th)</li> </ul>Because cleric's can cast spells?Free as opposed to...?Yeah, sometimes, for a little bit, see above for why I think it's cool, but not overly powerful.</blockquote>

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