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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1676856" data-attributes="member: 707">That's what I'm beginning to think as well.  Even though the duration is short at first (only 3 rounds at level 6) that can make a huge difference.  In a past session during a dungeon battle, the paladin moved into a doorway and basically served as a living wall to keep three beefed-up hobgoblins trapped in another room while the rest of the party cleaned up the enemies in the room we were in.  Total Defense helped, but Divine Shield would have been fantastic.The 3.0 text says you add the bonus "to weapon damage" and does not specify melee or ranged damage either way, so I'd imagine it's possible, unless it was changed somewhere else?Well, the first answer that came to mind was "because then it wouldn't be worth as much to paladins, for which the feat was probably designed."  But that's just a gut reaction.  I do wonder if you haven't weakened the Divine feats a bit too much, though.  IMO paladins really needed them to help bring up their strength to a fair level.  Smacking extra feat requirements onto them when paladins (and war clerics, but I don't see it as much of a necessity to clerics who have access to Divine Power, Divine Favor at full caster level, and Righteous Might) are a feat-poor class means they aren't going to be taken much, if at all.  Which defeats their purpose if they were meant as an option for paladins.Yeah, this does seem the best choice.  Though I'd heard so much hype about Divine Vigor on the boards that I wasn't sure.  I still may pick it up later, though.  One point: the text for 3.5 Divine Shield mentions a duration of 1/2 class level rounds, while you mention minutes.  Has the feat been erratta'd somewhere? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Thanks for all the advice guys.  I welcome any more comments folks have on either feat or experiences people have had with them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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