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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9835824" data-attributes="member: 18">They should not have been to remotely the extent they were though. It was a dead-end path that helped destroy the planet, and was pushed solely for money, not because it was actually a good idea.Public transport was the primary path that should have been taken, and individual motor vehicles absolutely minimized.Further, a lot of the reason that public transport had issues in the US was specifically because automotive companies intentionally undermined and destroyed it, in quite a systematic way, through a combination of lobbying and intentionally purchasing and destroying public transport systems. We're seeing a similar pattern with AI already, where system that work well and don't benefit from AI are being needlessly replaced with junk AI, simply so the AI people involved can try and steal more money from dim-witted Diplodocus-like investors.No, it's pro-AI, you might not be conscious of that, or willing to accept it, but you're not "the voice of reason" here, your argument is simply "well capitalism can push worthless drivel and we just have to accept it".Generative AI in the form it exists today, let alone the forms envision for tomorrow, are not sustainable, not financially, and not environmentally. They should be opposed and slowed as much as possible. It's very notable that China is not "all in" to the same degree on AI, and the AI it is using is vastly less power and processing intensive, and thus vastly less environmentally destructive.Sustainability is the last argument you can make in favour of AI. It's very likely we'll see full environmental collapse within 20-30 years and that will absolutely take civilization, including AI, with it. That would have been possible to avert were not for GenAI's insatiable demands for 10x as much power pretty much year on year. We're already seeing normal people's power bills being squeezed so that GenAI farms can be massively subsidized by the public - essentially we're seeing private taxes enacted by power companies.That won't be sustainable either, because governments that don't act will be voted out or overthrown, and the companies forcing the public to pay for datacenter power usage won't be able to continue. Again, sustainability is a bizarre and perverse argument to make here.</blockquote>

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