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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9835827" data-attributes="member: 18">You can't prove a negative.You're asking for the impossible.It's on people like you, who are promoting GenAI, claiming it's inevitable, to say that there is a societal benefit, that it does benefit people. So far we've seen no benefit to people in general, only tremendous and increasing harms. Elon Musk is busily using GenAI to generate CSAM in public, and when confronted about it, did he stop that? No. He merely limited who can generate CSAM. Is that the societal benefit you're envisioning?If your argument was "Yeah GenAI is no good, but you can't do anything about it", I could accept that as a somewhat valid (at least in the sense that I could understand how one would believe it) if defeatist argument. But your argument is that there is some benefit, and that it's more than merely the force that is, quite frankly, going to end civilization via climate destruction and making everything anyone says or does into a lie or suspected of being a lie. It's hacking at the tree that holds up society, frankly.</blockquote>