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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 5840602" data-attributes="member: 1861">I was just discussing the mattervwithban outsidevparty... Theyvhave never sat atva table but they know the tropes of narrative and fantasy...They pointed out some great ideas on it.Really all three parties are at fault. The DM presented a situation that was tough for the player to try to go with the flow they had desired.  The brigand was disruptive by deciding to completely flee... And his fellows were disruptive because they had no backup for the player.Really everyone is at fault as they played up some of the worst we can be.  We argue for the player, the DM, or the rest of the group.. But to be honest?Everyone is at fault. Nobody really wins a complete victory no matter how it goes.  The DM loses a PC that just started gaining traction, the brigand is ditched for another character.... and the players have some OOC problems that could lead to metagame conflict.Rocks Fall. Everyone sucks.I guess I owe her some credit for bringing me the old Global Thermonuclear War realization: The Only Winning Move is Not to Play.Slainte,-Loonook.</blockquote>