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Message: <blockquote data-quote="roguerouge" data-source="post: 4137496" data-attributes="member: 13855">When a PC's alignment shades towards evil or chaos, it doesn't particularly matter for a fighter or a sorcerer. You have their rep influence the NPCs' reactions, but otherwise, lenient works. When there's a paladin or a cleric in the party, alignment has to be at least somewhat descriptive as well as a goal to aspire to. Your PCs are a classic example of why.This is classic "low self-esteem bully" type of evil. Which seemingly went unpunished by the gods and the army in this world. So, of course, it happened again. I'd suggest that you shouldn't have let it slide as it set a precedent that the party can murder with impunity and that the world doesn't even try to discipline its criminals. How effectively did they cover up their crime? How on earth did the gods let this character BECOME a paladin after not repenting his murder? Why didn't the NPC report them to the authorities once he was safe? That's irrelevant: it's not a lawful act, which should ding the paladin hard. Whether or not it's evil depends on their intent, on whether they had strong evidence that this guy would have been an abusive father (and not just a cold, distant one), and on whether there were less lethal means available to them to resolve the problem. I'm guessing that it's evil based on their history, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.Everyone saw them do this? And they expect to get away with it? Are they crazy? Killing the idiot who yells at the heavily armed psychopaths doesn't solve this problem for them. Eventually the authorities are going to wonder where their arbiter is. And they'll investigate with the full might of the law behind it. And they will find a populace that will talk to the authorities. And, guess what, no matter what the authorities thought of the arbiter, you cannot let important men in your employ be slaughtered or else you won't be in power for very long. Murder one arbiter because you don't like his decisions and you assault the entire arbiter system. So put me down as thinking that this Hades, whatever his alignment, is not going to REWARD the PCs for their actions, because it directly impacts his power as an arbiter. And if you reward the PLAYERS' actions here, you're just going to continue to have a party of little dictators running around.Look: Clearly the players WANT TO BE OUTLAWS and explore shades of gray. Let them. Change the paladin's alignment, make him a paladin of slaughter or freedom and change the campaign accordingly:<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm" target="_blank">http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm</a></blockquote>

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