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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 4164051" data-attributes="member: 9037">Don't get me wrong a good host makes sure that they see to theri guests comfort let's take the dinner party example when I do one I make sure to find out if there are allergies, special food needs, dislikes. I want my guests to enjoy the dinner.Now I was taught that when you are a guest at a dinner party unless you are allergic you don't make a fuss over what is served. You move it around your plate you eat what you like. If thr hostess asks you can say I am not a big fish eater or if the food is simply not to your liking you say that you just were not hungry. You don't order pizza that is rude an insulting to the hostess. I have a friend who is a terrible cook but I love her company and she always has interesting people at her dinner parties. So I know most of the time the food is going to suck but the company makes up for it so I eat before I go.But if the food is that bad you just don't go to any more of that person's dinner parties. There is no need to be an ass about it.Gaming is the same way. A good DM tries to make a game that is fun for his players but the players need to meet the DM halfway. They need to make it fun for the DM as well.If your DM has worked a lot on his world and wants to run a game based on good PCs who want to make a difference saving the world then the players need to either go along with it or say no I am not interested.But coming to the table and trashing the game by playing your PC in away that is going to derail the game is rude. And no it is not the same as trashing a home but the sentiment is the same.I don't disagree with you on the DM keeping running a game that the players don't like. That DM needs to find new players just like the players should find a new DM.I don't believe you can teach players in game if they are not interested all you do is upset everyone. In a case where you feel the PCs are behaving badly instead of bringing NPCs to punish them it would be better to just talk to them and if they are not willing to change and you don't want to play like that then you say so.Though I tell my players that consquences happen in my game for the good and the bad. If they do evil things eventually unless they play it really smart it will catch up with them. I don't try and punish them unfairly but say they piss off a powerful ruler who has the means to destroy them then that is how I will DM it. The same way I would if a party of 1 level good PCs went and pissed off an elder red dragon.</blockquote>

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