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<blockquote data-quote="Slife" data-source="post: 4165775" data-attributes="member: 16347">I think he'd win the grapple check.&nbsp; And the initiative check, for that matter.&nbsp; And I suspect he'd still be wearing his magic rings (one of which is probably the obligatory ring of freedom of movement) and amulet, as well as have a silent dimension door prepared (because no wizard in his right mind doesn't).Aside from that, all that can be accomplished by this is the death of a single character (who most likely then gets true resurrected by his cleric buddy), and an increase in the players' paranoid preparations.&nbsp; Possibly taking up a lot of time in each game, since they're going to be rattling off the million-and-one things they have as defenses.&nbsp; And if they forget it once, taking advantage of the omission seems more of a jerk move than an actual challenge.&nbsp; Still, if your players like the type of challenge, go ahead.&nbsp; It can be fun to set up ridiculously intricate defenses, and using a list of &quot;standard operating procedures&quot; can speed up the game.&nbsp; And GM gets four lists of defenses he can crib from for his villains.&nbsp; Just make sure the game doesn't unintentionally become adversarial.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slife, post: 4165775, member: 16347"] I think he'd win the grapple check. And the initiative check, for that matter. And I suspect he'd still be wearing his magic rings (one of which is probably the obligatory ring of freedom of movement) and amulet, as well as have a silent dimension door prepared (because no wizard in his right mind doesn't). Aside from that, all that can be accomplished by this is the death of a single character (who most likely then gets true resurrected by his cleric buddy), and an increase in the players' paranoid preparations. Possibly taking up a lot of time in each game, since they're going to be rattling off the million-and-one things they have as defenses. And if they forget it once, taking advantage of the omission seems more of a jerk move than an actual challenge. Still, if your players like the type of challenge, go ahead. It can be fun to set up ridiculously intricate defenses, and using a list of "standard operating procedures" can speed up the game. And GM gets four lists of defenses he can crib from for his villains. Just make sure the game doesn't unintentionally become adversarial. [/QUOTE]

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