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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kalis" data-source="post: 4172220" data-attributes="member: 64720">Not showing up on the paladin's evildar doesn't give you immunity from a whupping. Good vs Good/Neutral can still happen, though it is tragic when circumstances can force your hand. A simple mind blank, which any operative of a king should have on at all times, also foils the ability.Paladins get 2 skill points per level(plus int mod obviously) and are rather starved for stat points anyway. Just because you have the skill on your class list, doesn't mean you are trained in it, or else you wouldn't need to make a choice for skill points.Also, sense motive what? Speak with the dead requires the truth(not that they really asked her for any info) and Vincent(a rather evilish name imo) only said "Give me the boy." Sense motive reveals: He wants the kid. By Odin's Beard, what a shock.What options? The arbiter is above the law, and untouchable by courts.They tried a little diplomacy and to get information from the guy. He basically told them to "Shut it", cause he's an untouchable Arbiter and they are nobodies(from a legal perspective) to him. Again, they see him as Darth Vader coming for baby Luke and being a jerk about it.They are presumed to have respect for their code of honor, which may or may not respect the secular laws of any given nation or state.Who says the sorceror/hexblade or cleric need to even mention another father. They could just claim that the children is one of their's(which if they raise the kid, they might feel is true) and mommy died in childbirth(which is the truth). They are just infants after all. They might not remember it. And if they do, the paladin can simply say that daddy wouldn't explain and wouldn't consider the fact that they felt bound to follow the wishes of the mother.Paladins don't require an atonement for a non lawful act, unless it moves them out of LG. Also, I disagree about the act. I simply view it as neutral without more info. The way the mother phrased her wishes makes it seem like it is a case of defending the innocent. The only thing not good about the act is that the DM knows that Vincent isn't evil, just an arrogant jerk.</blockquote>

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