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<blockquote data-quote="roguerouge" data-source="post: 4173500" data-attributes="member: 13855"><p>First, we don't have to argue whether being good/neutral gives you immunity from a paladin whuppin', 'cause the paladin never used that ability. That's my point: he doesn't know. Second, "a simple mind blank"?? Every operative of the king is a 15th level caster? Even if the OP took the EL system to an absurdity, sense motive's also a skill he can use untrained.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, I agree that they should have asked follow-up questions. IF they actually are high level, having another casting of that spell should have been a priority. And Sense Motive's more useful than you give it credit for being:</p><p></p><p>Let's check the SRD:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, they could have gotten a hunch based off body language and facial expression whether he was trustworthy or not. Again, it's that the PALADIN didn't bother with this approach when dealing with an agent of the king, WHOM HE SERVES (see his service in the army as a soldier in the OP.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They are answerable to the king. If they had any, you know, evidence, they could go to the king and appeal to his court. That would be a lawful act.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They worked for the state for a very long time, according to the OP, as, "They have moved their way up in the ranks of the local army starting as pleb novices all the way to kingdom heroes."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, yes, asking the hexblade would be a stupid thing for the child to do. But the paladin's going to still have an awfully difficult time explaining follow-up questions like </p><p></p><p>"Why did my mommy hate my daddy?" </p><p>"Should I hate my daddy?" </p><p>"Was daddy evil?"</p><p>"Where's daddy now?" </p><p>"I want to meet my biological father." </p><p>"Why can't I visit my daddy's grave?" </p><p>"Why did you kill my daddy?" </p><p></p><p>And each time he lies in answer to one of these questions, he gets further and further away from his code.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but you're incorrect. Atonement works for violating any part of your alignment. And while we disagree with it being a neutral act, this spell would fit for that alignment violation of both law and good too. From the srd:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like I said, there's always the Paladin of Freedom or Paladin of Slaughter options for this chaotic little paladin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="roguerouge, post: 4173500, member: 13855"] First, we don't have to argue whether being good/neutral gives you immunity from a paladin whuppin', 'cause the paladin never used that ability. That's my point: he doesn't know. Second, "a simple mind blank"?? Every operative of the king is a 15th level caster? Even if the OP took the EL system to an absurdity, sense motive's also a skill he can use untrained. First, I agree that they should have asked follow-up questions. IF they actually are high level, having another casting of that spell should have been a priority. And Sense Motive's more useful than you give it credit for being: Let's check the SRD: So, they could have gotten a hunch based off body language and facial expression whether he was trustworthy or not. Again, it's that the PALADIN didn't bother with this approach when dealing with an agent of the king, WHOM HE SERVES (see his service in the army as a soldier in the OP.) They are answerable to the king. If they had any, you know, evidence, they could go to the king and appeal to his court. That would be a lawful act. They worked for the state for a very long time, according to the OP, as, "They have moved their way up in the ranks of the local army starting as pleb novices all the way to kingdom heroes." Well, yes, asking the hexblade would be a stupid thing for the child to do. But the paladin's going to still have an awfully difficult time explaining follow-up questions like "Why did my mommy hate my daddy?" "Should I hate my daddy?" "Was daddy evil?" "Where's daddy now?" "I want to meet my biological father." "Why can't I visit my daddy's grave?" "Why did you kill my daddy?" And each time he lies in answer to one of these questions, he gets further and further away from his code. Sorry, but you're incorrect. Atonement works for violating any part of your alignment. And while we disagree with it being a neutral act, this spell would fit for that alignment violation of both law and good too. From the srd: Like I said, there's always the Paladin of Freedom or Paladin of Slaughter options for this chaotic little paladin. [/QUOTE]
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