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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 3444932" data-attributes="member: 4134">Challenging them is not adversariel. The guy who runs the shooting booth at a fair (let's assume for one second that it's an honest business, not one of those with skewed guns that don't shoot where you aim) challenges you to hit 5 targets to win that teddy bear. But he's not adversariel: He doesn't tell you to hit more targets than he does and takes up a rifle himself.That's what a good DM is like: He gives you challenges - variations on the theme &quot;Shoot those 5 targets&quot; (smaller targets, closer targets, moving targets...).A DM being adversial does not (only) challenge you, he competes with you. He tries to win the game. He plays to win, not to challenge.And I don't think you can be only a bit adversarial - either you are, or you're not. Of course, you could have different DMs (some of which are adversarial) or DMs who are like that some of the time. But I don't think there's a half-adversarial DM.Note that Challenging is not the same. And being non-adversarial doesn't mean the DM is letting you win: He can still make things hard. Tough challenges, even unsurmountable ones (though those are supposed to be a meta-challenge, meaning that the actual challenge is not the dragon, but knowing that you have to flee here, or resort to non-violent options). But they're set up to challenge you, not to give the DM a chance to win against you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 3444932, member: 4134"] Challenging them is not adversariel. The guy who runs the shooting booth at a fair (let's assume for one second that it's an honest business, not one of those with skewed guns that don't shoot where you aim) challenges you to hit 5 targets to win that teddy bear. But he's not adversariel: He doesn't tell you to hit more targets than he does and takes up a rifle himself. That's what a good DM is like: He gives you challenges - variations on the theme "Shoot those 5 targets" (smaller targets, closer targets, moving targets...). A DM being adversial does not (only) challenge you, he competes with you. He tries to win the game. He plays to win, not to challenge. And I don't think you can be only a bit adversarial - either you are, or you're not. Of course, you could have different DMs (some of which are adversarial) or DMs who are like that some of the time. But I don't think there's a half-adversarial DM. Note that Challenging is not the same. And being non-adversarial doesn't mean the DM is letting you win: He can still make things hard. Tough challenges, even unsurmountable ones (though those are supposed to be a meta-challenge, meaning that the actual challenge is not the dragon, but knowing that you have to flee here, or resort to non-violent options). But they're set up to challenge you, not to give the DM a chance to win against you. [/QUOTE]

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