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<blockquote data-quote="generic" data-source="post: 8162408" data-attributes="member: 6923088">I mean, the DM is ultimately the narrator.&nbsp; And yeah, DM's aren't obligated to listen to players as much as players aren't obligated to listen to DMs.You're either deliberately misrepresenting my argument or being obtuse.&nbsp; I made the simple argument that the DM must act as the referee, the ultimate authority, by virtue of their position as narrator.&nbsp; What I did not argue was that you should &quot;just leave&quot; if you don't like a DM's decision, nor did I present leaving the game as the only solution.Because, yes, ultimately, I believe that the DM has to act as referee and narrator, and you can argue with the DM all you like, and maybe come to a compromise, but the very fuinction of the game relies on the DM as narrator, not on the players as narrators of the story at large.&nbsp; In a real, functional world, the DM and players try their best to facilitate each other's fun.&nbsp; Furthermore, referencing your first point, yes, that's absolutely valid.&nbsp; If you want to play something the DM doesn't want to run, you can't force the DM to run it, you can leave.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="generic, post: 8162408, member: 6923088"] I mean, the DM is ultimately the narrator. And yeah, DM's aren't obligated to listen to players as much as players aren't obligated to listen to DMs. You're either deliberately misrepresenting my argument or being obtuse. I made the simple argument that the DM must act as the referee, the ultimate authority, by virtue of their position as narrator. What I did not argue was that you should "just leave" if you don't like a DM's decision, nor did I present leaving the game as the only solution. Because, yes, ultimately, I believe that the DM has to act as referee and narrator, and you can argue with the DM all you like, and maybe come to a compromise, but the very fuinction of the game relies on the DM as narrator, not on the players as narrators of the story at large. In a real, functional world, the DM and players try their best to facilitate each other's fun. Furthermore, referencing your first point, yes, that's absolutely valid. If you want to play something the DM doesn't want to run, you can't force the DM to run it, you can leave. [/QUOTE]

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