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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8164653" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>Er...a player can act in good faith and still be impolite about it; ditto a DM. Politeness and good faith do not always correlate.</p><p></p><p>Well, as a matter of fact, yes I do want that.</p><p></p><p>My experience is that there's - in very broad strokes - two types of players: those who also frequently DM and those who do not.</p><p></p><p>Those who also DM tend to, when they criticize or disgree, not necessarily be seeking advantage by so doing: they're looking at the game as a whole.</p><p></p><p>Those who do not also DM tend to be seeking advantage via their criticisms or disagreements: they're looking out for themselves.</p><p></p><p>And note that I specifically say "tend to" in each of the above, as I've seen opposite examples both ways.</p><p></p><p>Ah, but here you run into another issue: the setting of precedent.</p><p></p><p>IMO this is why DMs have to be very careful with their on-the-fly rulings, as they're either stuck with that ruling for the rest of the campaign or are willing to sacrifice in-game consistency when they change their minds later.</p><p></p><p>You have a right to question what's going on, I agree. By the same token, though, your DM has the right to not answer you; or to give you an answer you didn't want or don't agree with.</p><p></p><p>You'd be a rare breed indeed if you invested in campaigns to grub for disadvantage. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>One person's/group's bad faith could be good faith to another. It depends on what each person/group defines as good, bad, or neutral faith.</p><p></p><p>Yet I defend her right to that authority notwithstanding; and accept it as real even if it is never likely to be used.</p><p></p><p>And as a Canadian, technically this directly applies to me.</p><p></p><p>Why on earth would I want to have three arguments when settling the issue only takes one? And yes, I mean arguments: I've played with some rather stubborn people and can be one myself, and - fact of life - sometimes people dig in their heels.</p><p></p><p>Sort it out once whatever it takes, lock it down, and move on.</p><p></p><p>Fine. In this case I'm cool with that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8164653, member: 29398"] Er...a player can act in good faith and still be impolite about it; ditto a DM. Politeness and good faith do not always correlate. Well, as a matter of fact, yes I do want that. My experience is that there's - in very broad strokes - two types of players: those who also frequently DM and those who do not. Those who also DM tend to, when they criticize or disgree, not necessarily be seeking advantage by so doing: they're looking at the game as a whole. Those who do not also DM tend to be seeking advantage via their criticisms or disagreements: they're looking out for themselves. And note that I specifically say "tend to" in each of the above, as I've seen opposite examples both ways. Ah, but here you run into another issue: the setting of precedent. IMO this is why DMs have to be very careful with their on-the-fly rulings, as they're either stuck with that ruling for the rest of the campaign or are willing to sacrifice in-game consistency when they change their minds later. You have a right to question what's going on, I agree. By the same token, though, your DM has the right to not answer you; or to give you an answer you didn't want or don't agree with. You'd be a rare breed indeed if you invested in campaigns to grub for disadvantage. :) One person's/group's bad faith could be good faith to another. It depends on what each person/group defines as good, bad, or neutral faith. Yet I defend her right to that authority notwithstanding; and accept it as real even if it is never likely to be used. And as a Canadian, technically this directly applies to me. Why on earth would I want to have three arguments when settling the issue only takes one? And yes, I mean arguments: I've played with some rather stubborn people and can be one myself, and - fact of life - sometimes people dig in their heels. Sort it out once whatever it takes, lock it down, and move on. Fine. In this case I'm cool with that. :) [/QUOTE]
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