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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8175056" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Dude, you are wrong. There is literally no other way to put this. If you tell someone who is standing a stove preparing food "You are not cooking" that means you are telling them they are doing something wrong. There is no other way to take this, except by twisting the words into such a contorted shape that somehow you say the exact same thing, but you aren't saying it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Literally, how is this so difficult. Are you seriously trying to defend the idea that by declaring something not even DnD anymore, we are suddenly no longer offering judgement about playing DnD wrong? </p><p></p><p>That is definitionally telling someone they are playing DnD wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>MAx, you realize where this slope leads right? You realize that this argument then absolves anyone of judging another way of playing the game as long as they first say that the other person is no longer playing the game. This is gatekeeping at its worst. This is deriding someone for reading comics, but it is okay, because they aren't <em>really </em>reading comics in your opinion, so you aren't judging them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know, if I was making a claim like that, you might maybe have a point. </p><p></p><p>Except, you know, I keep repeating for this EXACT issue that the point Oofta was responding to was playing a Hack and Slash Megadungeon, with few to no NPCs, where you kick down the door, kill the monster, take their stuff, and repeat. </p><p></p><p>No mention of whether or not there is a DM. Now, after establishing that is a style of DnD, we can back up and I can show how you can play that version of DnD without a DM. But since people were challenging the very idea that Hack and Slash Megadungeons are even DnD, and I have stated repeatedly that was what I was talking about, I am left with two possibilities. </p><p></p><p>1) No one is actually reading my posts, you and Oofta especially. </p><p></p><p>2) People are trying to hide judging a style of play behind the more acceptable judging the lack of DMs. </p><p></p><p>Both are problems. So which one is it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8175056, member: 6801228"] Dude, you are wrong. There is literally no other way to put this. If you tell someone who is standing a stove preparing food "You are not cooking" that means you are telling them they are doing something wrong. There is no other way to take this, except by twisting the words into such a contorted shape that somehow you say the exact same thing, but you aren't saying it. Literally, how is this so difficult. Are you seriously trying to defend the idea that by declaring something not even DnD anymore, we are suddenly no longer offering judgement about playing DnD wrong? That is definitionally telling someone they are playing DnD wrong. MAx, you realize where this slope leads right? You realize that this argument then absolves anyone of judging another way of playing the game as long as they first say that the other person is no longer playing the game. This is gatekeeping at its worst. This is deriding someone for reading comics, but it is okay, because they aren't [I]really [/I]reading comics in your opinion, so you aren't judging them. You know, if I was making a claim like that, you might maybe have a point. Except, you know, I keep repeating for this EXACT issue that the point Oofta was responding to was playing a Hack and Slash Megadungeon, with few to no NPCs, where you kick down the door, kill the monster, take their stuff, and repeat. No mention of whether or not there is a DM. Now, after establishing that is a style of DnD, we can back up and I can show how you can play that version of DnD without a DM. But since people were challenging the very idea that Hack and Slash Megadungeons are even DnD, and I have stated repeatedly that was what I was talking about, I am left with two possibilities. 1) No one is actually reading my posts, you and Oofta especially. 2) People are trying to hide judging a style of play behind the more acceptable judging the lack of DMs. Both are problems. So which one is it? [/QUOTE]
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