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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zimri" data-source="post: 3528821" data-attributes="member: 15991">In my humble opinion (which matters entirely only to myself) 1) DMs can't cheat (see rule 0)2) I really don't mind (in the long term, the short term can be frustrating) if a BBEG gets away by virtue of DM fiat. I assume this will mean he will be coming after us / we will be going after him again. 3) I also kind of like the idea that bad (or good) die rolling won't undo  weeks or months of preplay concept building and however long of in-game character growth and tweakage. I am not against PC death per-se but it should MEAN something. During the Shackled city adventure path the final confrontation in Occipitus (smoking eye part) had the entire party ( and no I trust my group that no one had read ahead) falling all over themselves to leap into the pillar of flame to get to the bbeg (was years ago I forget the exact setup). We each knew the flame damage would likely kill us but it was a sacrifice worth making to get to the guy that tricked us.Of course as previously stated I also don't think meaningful antagonists should die before thier time because we get a lucky shot or think of a strategy the DM / Module writer didn't think of. What fun would "vampire's blade" have been had we actually caught lucan outside the city before the ball and killed him ?My main DM has said and I tend to agree "happy characters are mangled and exhausted characters"</blockquote>