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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 3535602" data-attributes="member: 6777"><p>Actually, I never said this.</p><p></p><p>What I said is that, if you find yourself fudging results consistently, it probably means that either the ruleset isn't helping you to get the play experience you want, or else the ruleset isn't helping you get the play experience it promised (which is what I would generally term "bad design").</p><p></p><p>Ergo, if what you want is a coherent "story"(e.g., PCs only die when it's dramatically appropriate), playing a ruleset focused on tactical challenge is probably not going to give you what you want.</p><p></p><p>I don't buy the "No ruleset can provide that reliably, so you need to fudge" argument because I've <em>played</em> RPGs that do provide it reliably. Play <em>Polaris</em> and you <em>will</em> end up with a tragic fantasy story where your PC dies at a thematically appropriate moment. Play GURPS, and it ain't gonna happen unless you ignore the rules. Similarly, <em>Polaris</em> isn't going to give you tactical challenge, but D&D is going to rock at it.</p><p></p><p>This is why I'm happy playing D&D as-is. I'm not looking for anything beyond what D&D was designed to deliver. Start fudging rolls, and you've just negated all of the effort I've put in to building my PC, learning the ruleset, and thinking strategically about my actions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think your corollary and Mearls' assertion can co-exist. If a rule makes the game less fun, then it's obviously not simultaneously making the game more fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buzz, post: 3535602, member: 6777"] Actually, I never said this. What I said is that, if you find yourself fudging results consistently, it probably means that either the ruleset isn't helping you to get the play experience you want, or else the ruleset isn't helping you get the play experience it promised (which is what I would generally term "bad design"). Ergo, if what you want is a coherent "story"(e.g., PCs only die when it's dramatically appropriate), playing a ruleset focused on tactical challenge is probably not going to give you what you want. I don't buy the "No ruleset can provide that reliably, so you need to fudge" argument because I've [I]played[/I] RPGs that do provide it reliably. Play [I]Polaris[/I] and you [I]will[/I] end up with a tragic fantasy story where your PC dies at a thematically appropriate moment. Play GURPS, and it ain't gonna happen unless you ignore the rules. Similarly, [I]Polaris[/I] isn't going to give you tactical challenge, but D&D is going to rock at it. This is why I'm happy playing D&D as-is. I'm not looking for anything beyond what D&D was designed to deliver. Start fudging rolls, and you've just negated all of the effort I've put in to building my PC, learning the ruleset, and thinking strategically about my actions. I don't think your corollary and Mearls' assertion can co-exist. If a rule makes the game less fun, then it's obviously not simultaneously making the game more fun. [/QUOTE]
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