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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SmokeyCriminal" data-source="post: 7262416" data-attributes="member: 6876146">I know this thread is more about damage and optimization combos. But I just want to say that as a player the thing that freaked me out the most at a fundamental level was when a room full of zombies all grappled me. Just having the DM say "and hes going to attempt to grapple you" over and over and over again. A single grapple is annoying. But when it was 3 and then 4 on me, my brain frazzled. I wasn't taking any damage at all, but it got under my skin in a way that damage can't. I felt vulnerable and it just magnified with every grab. And then she started trying to Trip me and all I could do was scream at my party in a panic to  please save me.And if you can get a player to scream "save me" with fear in the hearts, then I think you can chalk up that encounter as a win.</blockquote>