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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 5836294" data-attributes="member: 6688937">Personally, I think it all stems from the earliest editions and the prevalence of the attitude that D&D was supposed to be hard/cruel/capricious and teach you lesson young man.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> The idea that somehow the DM and players really were opponents was ludricrous on its face, yet seemed promoted by the adventures and humor of the day.The best thing 5e could do (for both sides) would be to change the way it addresses (particularly new) DMs. Instead of starting from the premise of "you play the monsters and NPCs" start from the premise of "You are responsible for making the game fun and entertaining for everyone."  Everything should flow from there. Yes, that means some perhaps sophisticated advice about what players want, but I'd prefer that to having this argument again in 5 years.</blockquote>