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<blockquote data-quote="SiderisAnon" data-source="post: 3747490" data-attributes="member: 44949">That's the best quote I've read in some time. I do believe I'm stealing it.As for your dilemma, I believe that what you are doing is completely fair, as long as you have made your players aware that the way your world works is that sometimes things cannot be conquered by a &quot;kick in the front door approach&quot;. My players know this and have known this for years. Yes, they still get frustrated sometimes, feeling like there's no way to defeat a challenge, but they know to look for alternatives and creative answers. All in all, it makes for a better game.Plus, once they realize this, you can use it to your advantage. I once had an adventure where the party spent most of the session trying to figure out to get into a mine. There was this large, clanking, fire-breathing beast that had moved in and taken over. Turns out, it was a group of goblins stealing from the mine who had set up this fake monsters and were doing the fire with oil and such. It was a blast for me, because they were all terrified of what the monster might do to them. They were so terribly relieved when they finally realized it was fake and they could go after the goblins directly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="SiderisAnon, post: 3747490, member: 44949"] That's the best quote I've read in some time. I do believe I'm stealing it. As for your dilemma, I believe that what you are doing is completely fair, as long as you have made your players aware that the way your world works is that sometimes things cannot be conquered by a "kick in the front door approach". My players know this and have known this for years. Yes, they still get frustrated sometimes, feeling like there's no way to defeat a challenge, but they know to look for alternatives and creative answers. All in all, it makes for a better game. Plus, once they realize this, you can use it to your advantage. I once had an adventure where the party spent most of the session trying to figure out to get into a mine. There was this large, clanking, fire-breathing beast that had moved in and taken over. Turns out, it was a group of goblins stealing from the mine who had set up this fake monsters and were doing the fire with oil and such. It was a blast for me, because they were all terrified of what the monster might do to them. They were so terribly relieved when they finally realized it was fake and they could go after the goblins directly. :) [/QUOTE]

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