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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3663625" data-attributes="member: 18280">Sorry, they don't play that way.&nbsp; They play because they want to play.&nbsp; If they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't.&nbsp; They enjoy playing in a game, not because they never have to listen to the DM, but because playing in a game well is rewarding to them.As attempting to capture your player's interest and reward your players for playing is part of good DMing, so is attempting to capture your DM's (and other players') interest and rewarding them for playing part of good playing.Period.&nbsp; If there is any statement about RPGs that I can make as an absolute and universal statement, that one was it.&nbsp; Kahuna Burger's thread, In Praise of Metagaming, describes this very well.&nbsp; Much better than I do, in fact.&nbsp; I am rather surprised that you are having such a hard time with this idea, because you clearly &quot;get it&quot; from one side of the screen, if not the other.EDIT:&nbsp; And, if you really can't get it, answer these four questions:&nbsp; Do you players ever indulge you?&nbsp; If so, why?&nbsp; Does any part of the game ever bore you?&nbsp; If so, why do you do it?&nbsp; (And if you think that you are the one uber DM whose players never indulge him, and who is never bored with any aspect of game prep or play, I'll scour EN World for your posts that demonstrate otherwise!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> )</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3663625, member: 18280"] Sorry, they don't play that way. They play because they want to play. If they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't. They enjoy playing in a game, not because they never have to listen to the DM, but because playing in a game well is rewarding to them. As attempting to capture your player's interest and reward your players for playing is part of good DMing, so is attempting to capture your DM's (and other players') interest and rewarding them for playing part of good playing. Period. If there is any statement about RPGs that I can make as an absolute and universal statement, that one was it. Kahuna Burger's thread, In Praise of Metagaming, describes this very well. Much better than I do, in fact. I am rather surprised that you are having such a hard time with this idea, because you clearly "get it" from one side of the screen, if not the other. EDIT: And, if you really can't get it, answer these four questions: Do you players ever indulge you? If so, why? Does any part of the game ever bore you? If so, why do you do it? (And if you think that you are the one uber DM whose players never indulge him, and who is never bored with any aspect of game prep or play, I'll scour EN World for your posts that demonstrate otherwise! :lol: ) [/QUOTE]

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