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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nswanson27" data-source="post: 6946935" data-attributes="member: 6797553">Well at the end of the day it's always up to the reader to decide anyways. Personally I think this is the most objective case I've seen on this thread. I think there are several problems going on in this thread.1: The OP doesn't like how he can't target the rogue (and therefore, something must be wrong). I think that's a DM perception problem (no offense).2: The realism (or lack thereof) with hidden vs. merely being unseen (advantage on attacks). If that's the heart of the objection - yes, there is a bit of a break of realism IMO, but it IS nonetheless RAW/RAI. If it's really that big of a problem for people, then ask yourself "How does a rogue uncannily dodge an AOI fireball exactly?". He just does. There's a break in realism, but again it's RAW/RAI. Shoot, what about the "realism" of turn-based combat in general?Perfectly fine if you houserule because you don't want these breaks in realism. But don't say that it's not RAW/RAI because "realism". If that's really what you want to do, then you've got a long ways to go for applying that metric on the rest of the rules, and you'll end with something very different than what's in the PHB.</blockquote>