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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6947766" data-attributes="member: 6788736">The only ruling you need is (consistent again with RAW and RAI as tweeted) is that a creature cannot hide if it can be seen clearly during the attempt.The hiding attempt. Not the Hide action. 'Hiding' in its plain English language as we would use taking to one another while playing Hide and Seek, via common sense interpretation and not ridiculously parsed into some kind of convoluted gobbledygook rules jargon that ignores object permanence and creates insane consequences like 'jack in the box' rogue.As in: If a Rogue starts his turn in full view of the enemy, moves into total cover (behind a pillar) on his turn, he is not allowed to use the Hide action once he gets there. He cant hide from a creature that knows where he is and saw him go there, any more than he can attempt an athletics check to jump to the moon. The attempt fails. You cant generally hide from someone watching you. Simply crawling into a cupboard and closing the door isnt enough. The observer needs to be distracted, or out of the room or whatever and not know with sufficient precision where you are and where you went.If you apply common sense interpretation to the rules as the rule were meant to be interpreted (and dont see them as rules jargon) they make sense and work fine.Player: Hey DM can I duck back behind the pillar in this room and hide from the Ogre?DM: The Ogre you shot in the face last turn? No way, the attack did more damage than the Fighter; the Ogre looks as if he's watching you closely. Player: (thinks) Hmm OK... I'll feign a look of terror and race outside the room using my movement and my action to dash. The 60' of movement should be enough to double back to other entrance to the room (DM calls for deception check opposed by Ogres insight score for the deception).DM: (looking at dice score) You reckon the Ogre bought it, and he ignores you, focusing his attention back on the fighter as you race out of the room.Player: Can I hide now, once I'm out of sight? I want to sneak up on the Ogre from the other doorway adjacent to the one I 'fled the combat' from, now that I've convinced him I'm running away. I still have my bonus action remaining, and have cunning action.DM: (thinks) Yeah, sure. Roll...</blockquote>

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