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DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6948046" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>They're related but separate.</p><p></p><p>The game more or less assumes that even invisible you are not 'hidden' (there are other signs of your passage that give your general location away). However the invisible condition states that 'for the purpose of hiding, you are considered to be in heavy obscurement'.</p><p></p><p>In other words you can take the hide action at will whenever you have an action spare (you cant be observed going into hiding 'clearly enough' when invisible).</p><p></p><p>If successful in the Hide action while invisible your opponent either needs to find you (via the Search action) or take a lucky guess at your location (and hit you).</p><p></p><p>I'm always surprised by the number of players that still think invisible = imperceptible. They gripe fairly heavily when I call for a stealth check via the Hide action (usually not the best bonus for most wizards), usually making them wait at least a round before attempting it (the cast a spell action takes their action on the turn they become invisible).</p><p></p><p>OTOH, a rogue with greater invisibility is a nightmare. Attack + cunning action hide (check result 20+) every single round. Waste your turn using the Search action to find him, and then he stabs you again, and cunning action hides again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6948046, member: 6788736"] They're related but separate. The game more or less assumes that even invisible you are not 'hidden' (there are other signs of your passage that give your general location away). However the invisible condition states that 'for the purpose of hiding, you are considered to be in heavy obscurement'. In other words you can take the hide action at will whenever you have an action spare (you cant be observed going into hiding 'clearly enough' when invisible). If successful in the Hide action while invisible your opponent either needs to find you (via the Search action) or take a lucky guess at your location (and hit you). I'm always surprised by the number of players that still think invisible = imperceptible. They gripe fairly heavily when I call for a stealth check via the Hide action (usually not the best bonus for most wizards), usually making them wait at least a round before attempting it (the cast a spell action takes their action on the turn they become invisible). OTOH, a rogue with greater invisibility is a nightmare. Attack + cunning action hide (check result 20+) every single round. Waste your turn using the Search action to find him, and then he stabs you again, and cunning action hides again. [/QUOTE]
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