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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6948337" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Whats the difference?What is A doing behind the tree and out of sight of his pursuers with 'the Hide action' that makes his location suddenly so imprecise?You agree that if the doesnt 'take the Hide action' behind the tree, then they know he is there and can walk up to him and attack him, wait for him to move again or whatver.Yet if he 'takes the Hide action' behind the tree, you assert suddenly his pursuers dont know he is bhind the tree anymore.What exactly is he doing back there, that a person who hasnt taken the hide action behind a tree does? How (and in what manner) is this 'Hide action' he does behind the tree remove object permanence from his pursuers?It makes no sense.No, it doesnt mean what you think it means. Hidden means hidden. The creature you are hidden relative to doesnt know your location with sufficient precision and may not even be aware of your presence at all.What is the guy behind the tree doing to create this state of mind in the person who saw him go behind the solitary tree? And why does he need to break LOS to do it?No, thats not what I meant at all. If thats what I meant, thats what I would have said.For mine, the correct response is:'Remember, you can only use the Hide action if your enemies did not see you go into your hiding spot and thus dont know where you are. If you want, you can duck behind the pillar, quiet yourself, and still your breathing in the hope that your pursuers did not see you duck behind the pillar [and use your action and roll stealth], but if your pursuers saw you go behind the pillar to hide, you wont be hidden, your enemies wont need to use the Search action to find you, and you dont get advantage on an attack if you lean out and shoot them regardless of what you roll. You will however have total cover unless they walk around it on their turns.'''Its up to you.'</blockquote>

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