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DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6949227" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Lets assume its a commmoner hiding then.</p><p></p><p>In full view of the enemy, he walks behind a pillar in the middle of the room and (once behind the pillar and thus unseen) 'takes the hide action' making him hidden.</p><p></p><p><em>What </em>exactly is he doing back there?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How does 'looking around for something to lean up on' suddenly make him hidden behind that pillar? </p><p></p><p>And <em>why </em>does he need to do it out of sight?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly. Ridiculous gamist interpretation and justification which creates absurd results.</p><p></p><p>Now read the RAW again, this time interpreting the words 'hiding' not as 'the hide action,' but as the <strong>plain english version of the word.</strong></p><p></p><p>If you do, you'll see that he cant take the Hide action behind the pillar because I saw him go into hiding. You cant hide from someone who is watching you. <strong>Walking behind a pillar is me watching you going into hiding. </strong>Hide action = prohibited. I mean, you can roll if you want and be really really quiet, but you are not hidden, and the enemy knows where you are.</p><p></p><p>There is nothing you can do behind that pillar that's going to make me forget you went there, render me confused or uncertain about your current location or presence, or make you in any way hidden.</p><p></p><p>You cant take the hide action when you're behind the pillar [I watched you walk behind], <u>because I saw you go into hiding.</u></p><p></p><p>If I wasn't watching you go into your hiding spot, you could.</p><p></p><p>The phrase 'you cant hide when a creature can see you' is not the game saying 'you must break LOS to take the Hide action'; its just a plain English common bloody sense statement of 'It is generally impossible to go into hiding while being observed'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><u>HOW</u>?</p><p></p><p>What exactly are you doing <em>behind the pillar</em> to mind wipe object permanence from me? And why do they need to do it behind the pillar?</p><p></p><p>I mean, I'm happy to conduct this experiment in real life a hundred times over. You can crawl into a box (one of those cardboard removalist boxes will do) and close the lid, all while in full view of me. </p><p></p><p>I'll then let you 'take the hide action' as much as you want, once the lid is closed.</p><p></p><p>Lets see how often you become 'hidden' or how many times I suddenly forget you're inside the box, or even am rendered uncertain about whether you are actually in there or not.</p><p></p><p>Barring you building a secret trapdoor under the box and slinking off elsewhere, [i.e. <em>going into hiding while NOT being observed</em>] you are never going to be hidden from me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6949227, member: 6788736"] Lets assume its a commmoner hiding then. In full view of the enemy, he walks behind a pillar in the middle of the room and (once behind the pillar and thus unseen) 'takes the hide action' making him hidden. [I]What [/I]exactly is he doing back there? How does 'looking around for something to lean up on' suddenly make him hidden behind that pillar? And [I]why [/I]does he need to do it out of sight? Exactly. Ridiculous gamist interpretation and justification which creates absurd results. Now read the RAW again, this time interpreting the words 'hiding' not as 'the hide action,' but as the [B]plain english version of the word.[/B] If you do, you'll see that he cant take the Hide action behind the pillar because I saw him go into hiding. You cant hide from someone who is watching you. [B]Walking behind a pillar is me watching you going into hiding. [/B]Hide action = prohibited. I mean, you can roll if you want and be really really quiet, but you are not hidden, and the enemy knows where you are. There is nothing you can do behind that pillar that's going to make me forget you went there, render me confused or uncertain about your current location or presence, or make you in any way hidden. You cant take the hide action when you're behind the pillar [I watched you walk behind], [U]because I saw you go into hiding.[/U] If I wasn't watching you go into your hiding spot, you could. The phrase 'you cant hide when a creature can see you' is not the game saying 'you must break LOS to take the Hide action'; its just a plain English common bloody sense statement of 'It is generally impossible to go into hiding while being observed'. [U]HOW[/U]? What exactly are you doing [I]behind the pillar[/I] to mind wipe object permanence from me? And why do they need to do it behind the pillar? I mean, I'm happy to conduct this experiment in real life a hundred times over. You can crawl into a box (one of those cardboard removalist boxes will do) and close the lid, all while in full view of me. I'll then let you 'take the hide action' as much as you want, once the lid is closed. Lets see how often you become 'hidden' or how many times I suddenly forget you're inside the box, or even am rendered uncertain about whether you are actually in there or not. Barring you building a secret trapdoor under the box and slinking off elsewhere, [i.e. [I]going into hiding while NOT being observed[/I]] you are never going to be hidden from me. [/QUOTE]
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