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<blockquote data-quote="ThePolarBear" data-source="post: 6950005" data-attributes="member: 6857451">Absurd because it's something YOU are applying and no one else is. If you go behind a pillar and suddendly go quiet with a crowd watching THE CROWD STILL KNOWS WHERE YOU WENT. THIS DOES NOT PREVENT ANYONE FROM HIDING. THERE'S NO PERMANENCE BEING STRIPPED.HIDING DOES NOT MINDWIPEOr, you know, apply the rule you quoted and see that hide means hide. And recognise that &quot;go into hiding&quot; is something YOU are adding. That, i'll repeat, was added and later REMOVED from the rules. The reason? Speculation.I'm not trying to hide to to become invisible, to get the possibility to escape. Or prehaps i am, we only know that there's a pillar. I'm trying to hide to prevent someone else from knowing what i'm doing. And that is as valid as other reasons to hide. And that IS possible since the rule IS NOT WHAT YOU SAY IT IS.Your decision is yours. You as a DM are adjudicating that it's not possible to do so in that situation. And you can do that expecially because &quot;The DM decides when the circumstances are appropriate for hiding&quot;. That is fine. The RULE has to be as permissive as possible to allow the master to adjudicate. That is why the rule was changed from &quot;see&quot; to &quot;see clearly&quot;, as simply &quot;see&quot; includes everything. Even shadows in darkness.Except that if i go into the box i CAN hide as long as the DM allows me to! I can be unseen and unheard. My location is known, SO WHAT?The point of hiding is being unseen and unheard. It can be used to go around being unseen and unheard or just for doing something before being discovered. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE I WAS. WHAT MATTERS IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT I'M DOING NEXT.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ThePolarBear, post: 6950005, member: 6857451"] Absurd because it's something YOU are applying and no one else is. If you go behind a pillar and suddendly go quiet with a crowd watching THE CROWD STILL KNOWS WHERE YOU WENT. THIS DOES NOT PREVENT ANYONE FROM HIDING. THERE'S NO PERMANENCE BEING STRIPPED. [I][U][B]HIDING DOES NOT MINDWIPE[/B][/U][/I] Or, you know, apply the rule you quoted and see that hide means hide. And recognise that "go into hiding" is something YOU are adding. That, i'll repeat, was added and later REMOVED from the rules. The reason? Speculation. I'm not trying to hide to to become invisible, to get the possibility to escape. Or prehaps i am, we only know that there's a pillar. I'm trying to hide to prevent someone else from knowing what i'm doing. And that is as valid as other reasons to hide. And that IS possible since the rule [I][U][B]IS NOT WHAT YOU SAY IT IS.[/B][/U][/I] Your decision is yours. You as a DM are adjudicating that it's not possible to do so in that situation. And you can do that expecially because "The DM decides when the circumstances are appropriate for hiding". That is fine. The RULE has to be as permissive as possible to allow the master to adjudicate. That is why the rule was changed from "see" to "see clearly", as simply "see" includes everything. Even shadows in darkness. Except that if i go into the box i CAN hide as long as the DM allows me to! I can be unseen and unheard. My location is known, [U][I][B]SO WHAT?[/B][/I][/U] The point of hiding is being unseen and unheard. It can be used to go around being unseen and unheard or just for doing something before being discovered.[U][I][B] IT DOES NOT MATTER IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE I WAS. WHAT MATTERS IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT I'M DOING NEXT.[/B][/I][/U] [/QUOTE]

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