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DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!
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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6950199" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Well, my interpretation happens to agree with yours. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's because the rule is the DM determines when the appropriate circumstances for hiding exist, and the number one circumstance given is that someone can not see you clearly. That means it's the DM's job to determine whether or not someone can see you clearly. The implied reasoning behind this, however, is that if someone can see you clearly then they know your location. I think that's what folks are missing. </p><p></p><p>Seen clearly is not the only circumstance in which hiding is inappropriate! You also need to stay quiet. That means you can't yell out, "Hey, I'm over here!", from behind your pillar and then take the Hide action. The circumstance of you making noise is not appropriate for hiding, because it gives away your location. </p><p></p><p>If the floor is dusty, and you make tracks as you move behind the pillar, you need to try to cover your tracks, because a trail of footprints leading to your location is a circumstance that is inappropriate for hiding. That's because it tells everyone where you are. </p><p></p><p>So that's at least three circumstances in which hiding is inappropriate, but those are just examples. What they all have in common is that under such circumstances your location is known. That's what makes them inappropriate. The DM is charged with determining whether other circumstances are appropriate or not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. But the issue here seems to be that the common English definition of <em>hide</em> is imprecise. It's clear to me (and it seems you would agree) from the context given by the rules, that when you hide, you are hiding your location in the same way you would hide your emotions, by keeping your location secret and unknown. If it is already known, that is an inappropriate circumstance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6950199, member: 6787503"] Well, my interpretation happens to agree with yours. That's because the rule is the DM determines when the appropriate circumstances for hiding exist, and the number one circumstance given is that someone can not see you clearly. That means it's the DM's job to determine whether or not someone can see you clearly. The implied reasoning behind this, however, is that if someone can see you clearly then they know your location. I think that's what folks are missing. Seen clearly is not the only circumstance in which hiding is inappropriate! You also need to stay quiet. That means you can't yell out, "Hey, I'm over here!", from behind your pillar and then take the Hide action. The circumstance of you making noise is not appropriate for hiding, because it gives away your location. If the floor is dusty, and you make tracks as you move behind the pillar, you need to try to cover your tracks, because a trail of footprints leading to your location is a circumstance that is inappropriate for hiding. That's because it tells everyone where you are. So that's at least three circumstances in which hiding is inappropriate, but those are just examples. What they all have in common is that under such circumstances your location is known. That's what makes them inappropriate. The DM is charged with determining whether other circumstances are appropriate or not. I agree. But the issue here seems to be that the common English definition of [I]hide[/I] is imprecise. It's clear to me (and it seems you would agree) from the context given by the rules, that when you hide, you are hiding your location in the same way you would hide your emotions, by keeping your location secret and unknown. If it is already known, that is an inappropriate circumstance. [/QUOTE]
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