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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6950509" data-attributes="member: 6788736">No you dont 'hide after going out of view'. There is no break between you going into cover and hiding.Again, if you and I were in a room and I was watching you sneakily crawl into a box, and close the lid very quietly, I saw you hide. And you cant hide from someone who is watching you.The act of going out of view is (in many cases) part of the process of you hiding.Read the passage of text 'You cant hide from someone who is watching you' in plain english [i.e. 'hiding' in this case, is not 'the hide action']. Exactly. You cant hide if Im watching you go into hiding, because I know where you are. No amount of 'taking the hide action' behind your total cover or in your box helps you. In fact, any such attempt automatically fails.Because you cant hide from someone that is watching you.No, its not. The rules dont say that. They say you cant even attempt the hide action, if I saw you crawl into your hiding spot (If I watch you go into hiding).You cant take the hide action, because I saw you go into hiding. I know you're in that 10' patch of darkness. No amount of you jumping up and down 'taking the hide action' is going to change that.For sure. If you crawl into a box with a secret trapdoor, you most certainly can hide.In this case, while I saw you go into the box (you can hide from me there) I didnt see you use your secret trapdoor and move elsewhere, hiding there. I didnt see you go into hiding. You can hide.Yes. You are watching them break line of sight.Not that it matters because the rules dont say 'you can take the hide action whenever you break line of sight'. They say you cant hide from a creature that is watching you. Hide (in this context) is the plain english usage of the word, and not the hide action.If I watch you open a box, crawl in, and close the lid (break LOS), you cant hide from me inside the box. I saw you go into hiding, and you cant hide from someone who was watching you. Your stealth check fails (DC: infinity).Exactly. This is why you cant hide. The crowd knows you're there. No amount of jumping up and down behind that pillar will let you take the Hide action. You cant hide.I mean you can be as quiet as a mouse if you want, but it doesnt change <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. You arent hidden, and your Stealth check to Hide fails.I'm not adding anything. You are. You're adding a rule to the Hide action that requires a person 'break LOS before attempting the Hide action'. In fact, you're adding a rule to the Hide action that allows anyone to attempt the Hide action by simply breaking LOS.There is no such rule. There is just a plain english statement of common sense that says: 'You cant hide from someone who watches you going into hiding; your position is known. You are not hidden'</blockquote>

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