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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6950612" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Absolutely. I could swing a sword around madly covering a 10' x 10' darkened area over the space of six seconds. Couldnt you? Important to remember is the NPC in this scenario is not hidden, so Grog the barbarian isnt swinging wildly in the darkness. He is presumed to have enough of a clue as to where the NPC is with enough precision to not have to wave his sword all over the darkness in hope. He can charge in the darkness in the NPCs general direction, and have a few swings at the NPC (make an attack at disadvantage).He only needs to guess a square if the NPC is hidden. This NPC isnt hidden (he wasnt allowed to even roll).No it doesnt. What it says is:'A creature’s space is the area in feet that it effectivelycontrols in combat, not an expression of its physicaldimensions. A typical Medium creature isn’t 5 feet wide,for example, but it does control a space that wide. If aMedium hobgoblin stands in a 5-foot-wide doorway,other creatures can’t get through unless the hobgoblinlets them. A creature’s space also reflects the area it needs to fighteffectively.' '5' x 5' squares' are an abstraction. Its a rough approximation of the area that a creature controls in combat, and the room it needs to fight effectively. Remember, unless I'm using the 'playing with a grid' rules variant, 5' squares dont even exist (and even then, they only exist as an abstraction of a creatures approximate location).Two creatures with swords out swinging wildly (both standing in a patch of darkness with 10' x 10' dimensions) can make attacks against each other. I'm not going to make them 'guess a square to target' first. I will probably require it if one of them is hidden however.Probably straight away (depending on movement and so forth). The creature has enough space (in this scenario) to hide without the observers being able to see him 'going into hiding'. I reckon moving around in a 50' x 50' area is probably enough for our NPC to attempt to conceal his location with sufficient precision so that the PC observers dont know where he is (outside of knowing he is in the 50' x 50' area of darkness somewhere). We're getting closer to a situation now where he has room to move about and go into hiding without our observing PCs being able to see him doing so.In other words, in this scenario his location is sufficently hard to pin down and to know with precision (i.e. see him go into hiding), and he can take the hide action.Subject to a succesful stealth check via the hide action (representing him moving quietly and masking his location within the darkness), our PCs are going to have to either 1) Use the Search action to find him (listening intently) or 2) make a lucky guess as to his location within the darkness.Assuming our NPC is now hidden, Grog the Barbarian is going to have to pick a square to target now (and a path through the darkness within which to charge through, which might also reveal our hidden foe).</blockquote>

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