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<blockquote data-quote="Springheel" data-source="post: 6952111" data-attributes="member: 6828720">You can't sense someone in a box unless they're making noise, whether you saw them go in there or not (unless the lid's still open, in which case you can still see them).And from the point of view of the observer outside the box, how do I KNOW you're still in there, if you aren't making any noise?&nbsp; How do I know there isn't a trapdoor, or you didn't use magic to teleport away, or turn into a spider and crawl out through the back?&nbsp; I might assume those things didn't happen, but until I look in the box (using my action to search) I don't really know for sure.Suppose the seeker saw the hider get into the box, but he thinks the box is a magical teleportation device?&nbsp; The seeker now believes he has no idea where the hider is.&nbsp; Can the hider take the hide action now, even if it's a normal box?&nbsp; Again, how does the observer KNOW they are there?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Springheel, post: 6952111, member: 6828720"] You can't sense someone in a box unless they're making noise, whether you saw them go in there or not (unless the lid's still open, in which case you can still see them). And from the point of view of the observer outside the box, how do I KNOW you're still in there, if you aren't making any noise? How do I [I]know [/I]there isn't a trapdoor, or you didn't use magic to teleport away, or turn into a spider and crawl out through the back? I might [I]assume [/I]those things didn't happen, but until I look in the box (using my action to search) I don't really know for sure. Suppose the seeker saw the hider get into the box, but he thinks the box is a magical teleportation device? The seeker now believes he has no idea where the hider is. Can the hider take the hide action now, even if it's a normal box? Again, how does the observer KNOW they are there? [/QUOTE]

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