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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6956489" data-attributes="member: 6787503">No, it doesn't invalidate my arguments thank you very much. An invisible creature could be anywhere. We're talking about a creature that can only be in one place, such as the creature you saw going into the box. If you grapple an invisible creature, for example, then for as long as your grapple lasts it can't hide from you because you can feel where it is. An invisible creature can't hide if it's leaving tracks or shouting out a warning either, so "can always try to hide" assumes the absence of such inappropriate circumstances. The woodelf and lightfoot halfling features, on the other hand, are not invisibility spells, and don't grant the ability to become invisible at will while being observed. I never said they couldn't be used in combat. They can be used in combat the same as anyone else's ability to hide, except they are not limited to the circumstances most creatures would need to stay hidden.  If you are not hidden, your location is known to any potential observers. If there are no potential observers present, your location is unknown whether hidden or not.Of course you can stay hidden with others around. That's the whole point of hiding. You can't hide when seen clearly because it gives away your position to the observer. A potential observer can also detect you while trying to stay hidden.</blockquote>