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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThePolarBear" data-source="post: 6957606" data-attributes="member: 6857451">As per normal rules for hiding if you are discovered you are no longer hidden. It applies to LH (source of obscuration no longer applies > no longer obscured > clearly seen > no longer hidden)  and for the WE (If he is no longer in a lightly obscured environment due to natural causes > no longer obscured > clearly seen > no longer hidden).This, however, does not mean that simply moving NEAR a target is enough to make it no longer hidden, even if they are not really invisible, as much as getting right beside a closet with a person inside means that the person is no longer hidden, if it was hiding. Bumping into a WE is enough to make him no longer hidden, as is moving behind the creature providing obscurement for a LH. Or removing foliage from the area or shoving the creature the LH is hiding behind away. It is a "supernatural" ability that follow "supernatural" rules that are only required to make as much sense as casting a spell does in relation to our reality and its rules.It's not about having shadows or not. It's about that particular situation that providing obscurement. Not shadows, not cover, just enough obscurement to be able to hide. Making one unable to be seen clearly enough.For me: Yes, an umbrella would be enough to remove the requirement for the WE at least regarding atmospheric events <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />Quick edit: The rule "dm judges when it's possibl eto hide" still applies however. If for you it's not possible for a WE to hide 5ft away from a creature because there's not enough obscurement in the rain that is pouring on the combat ground then there's not enough rain for the WE to hide. And that's it.</blockquote>

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