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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6959450" data-attributes="member: 23751">It is right.&nbsp; I said in my post here that unless you come out of hiding in some manner, you are hidden with a single roll and there is no need for ongoing &quot;attempts to hide&quot;.&nbsp; Beating on your shield is taking an action to stop hiding. No rule supports [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION]'s claim.Not making noise =/= needing to try not to make noise.&nbsp; RAW allows you to remain X silent, where X is your stealth roll to hide.&nbsp; There is no need to try any further not to make noise, because that lack of noise to the extent of your roll is automatic and constant for the duration of the hide.&nbsp; For instance, if my hide check is 15, I am at a 15 for lack of visual and audible clues for the entire time I am hidden.&nbsp; RAW doesn't require me to make any further efforts to remain silent or out of sight.&nbsp; You can assume that there is some sort of constant hide check going on, but that only applies to your personal game, not the rules.The elf IS in full view, at least until he uses nature to cloak himself and go out of view.&nbsp; The sage advice says straight out that the elf can do so while being stared at directly.&nbsp; The elf is hiding while being observed.It does't say staring in the elf's direction.&nbsp; It says the elf can try to hide while someone is staring at the elf.&nbsp; That's the ability to hide while under observation.&nbsp; In any case, even partial view has the elf still being directly observed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6959450, member: 23751"] It is right. I said in my post here that unless you come out of hiding in some manner, you are hidden with a single roll and there is no need for ongoing "attempts to hide". Beating on your shield is taking an action to stop hiding. No rule supports [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION]'s claim. Not making noise =/= needing to try not to make noise. RAW allows you to remain X silent, where X is your stealth roll to hide. There is no need to try any further not to make noise, because that lack of noise to the extent of your roll is automatic and constant for the duration of the hide. For instance, if my hide check is 15, I am at a 15 for lack of visual and audible clues for the entire time I am hidden. RAW doesn't require me to make any further efforts to remain silent or out of sight. You can assume that there is some sort of constant hide check going on, but that only applies to your personal game, not the rules. The elf IS in full view, at least until he uses nature to cloak himself and go out of view. The sage advice says straight out that the elf can do so while being stared at directly. The elf is hiding while being observed. It does't say staring in the elf's direction. It says the elf can try to hide while someone is staring at the elf. That's the ability to hide while under observation. In any case, even partial view has the elf still being directly observed. [/QUOTE]

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