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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Schattenriss" data-source="post: 6959832" data-attributes="member: 6861249">In this discussion about hiding the differentiation between unseen and location is important. There are different scenarios to be considered.---------------------------------Lets take the pillar example with one rogue and one enemy. A rogue moves behind the pillar (one square). So he has total cover from the enemies, because the line of sight is blocked. Being behind cover means he is unseen, but his location is known (assuming the enemy did see him moving behind the pillar). Whether or not the rogue hides does not matter: he is now unseen.Now the enemy moves with parts of his movement to get a line of sight behind the pillar. There are the following cases.Case 1: bright light However, if the enemy now moves in a position that he has a line of sight behind the pillar (because he knows the rogue is there), he will spot him if bright light shines on that place (e.g. outdoor on a sunny day). From the new position of the enemy hide does not work, because there is no way hide works in a bright place // to hide from the new position of the enemy. Only way to hide in bright light without cover would be invisibility (case 2 applies)Case 2: dim light or darkness or invisibilityHowever, the rogue can benefit from hidding behind the pillar, ifa) the light conditions are heavily obscured behind that pillar orc) the light conditions are lightly obscured behind that pillar and the rogue has e.g. Skulker featthe rogue could benefit from the hide action behind the pillar. Let's assume the rogue does hide and the stealth check has beaten the passive perception of the enemy: the rogue remains unseen, even after the enemy has moved and reposition himself to get a line of sight behind the pillar.Now the enemy has two options: I) try to spot the enemy (perception check)II) attack the location (because he knows the rogue is behind the pillar)Reg. I) If the enemy does decide to actively search for him, he would roll a perception check vs. the stealth result of the rogue. Either he spots him or he does not. If he spots the rogue, his turn is over and the rogue starts his next turn.Reg. I) if the enemy attacks the location (because he believes the rogue is behind the pillar), the enemy does attack with disadvantage (rogue remains unseen because he is hidden), but he can attack, because he knows the location of the unseen rogue.Of course, if the enemy is a wizard and he throws a fireball behind the pillar, hiding has no effect due to AOE.Size of pillar (respective area to hide)If the the pillar is larger than one square the enemy does not exactly know the location of a hidden rogues. Let's assume the pillar has two squares. In this case the enemy has a 50/50 chance to attack the right location. If he chooses the right location, the attack is made with disadvantage. If he chooses th wrong one, the attack misses.---------------------------------Not sure if you see it in the same way (lol see). But this is at least how I understand the logic of hiding. For sure you will have other views on it and that is perfectly fine.Happy Gaming!</blockquote>

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