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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6961512" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Those features don't say you can hide while observed and therefore don't contradict the general rule that you can't hide while observed.No, if there are no potential observers present before you hide, then your location is unknown to potential observers before you hide.Neither the feat nor the features say anything, specific or not, about hiding from a creature that can see you clearly or hiding while seen clearly.No they can't, not from a potential observer. Let me give you an example to show what the benefit is for the wood elf under my interpretation:Two characters, one human and the other a wood elf, are in a lightly wooded area of moderate foliage. The characters and everything else in the area are lightly obscured by this foliage. Nearby, a small hill provides a visual obstruction to anyone approaching from the East, but about 150 feet away from the characters a footpath coming from that direction clears the obstruction and comes into full view of the characters' location. A patrol group is approaching along the foot path loudly singing a marching song and is heard by the two characters when it is about 300 feet away from them, and not yet in view. The player of the wood elf declares that the elf tries to hide from the patrol group. Because the elf is lightly obscured by moderate foliage and because he is not currently seen clearly due to the obstruction, conditions are appropriate for the elf to hide from the patrol group. The elf's player rolls a Dex (Stealth) check and as long as no one in the patrol group has a Wis (Perception) check that's higher, he will stay hidden when the group clears the obstruction and comes into full view. Meanwhile, the human is also not seen by the patrol, but moderate foliage does not provide the human with an appropriate hiding place. She cannot hide from the patrol there. When the patrol clears the obstruction, she is noticed while the elf remains hidden. How do you think the wood elf's feature made it harder for him to hide in my example? Without the feature he wouldn't have been able to hide at all.</blockquote>

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