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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6962931" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Right.&nbsp; We have the ability to hide in full view. &quot;In full view&quot; means you are being fully directly observed.&nbsp; Someone who is not observed is not in full view of anyone.&nbsp; If you are being directly observed, you are not yet hidden.&nbsp; Then we have the halfling vanishing behind a creature.&nbsp; One cannot vanish except when directly observed.&nbsp; You can only vanish from view.&nbsp; If it were talking about hiding while not being directly observed, the word vanish would not have been used.&nbsp; Next we have &quot;can try to hide&quot; with the wood elf.&nbsp; Trying to hide is an action.&nbsp; Staying hidden involves no action, so it's highly unlikely that the phrase means attempting to stay hidden.&nbsp; Further, as part of the same sentence as the halfling vanishing and the same paragraph as normally you can't hide in full view, the CONTEXT is that the halfling and elf can in fact use their ability to hide while being observed.&nbsp; Lastly, we have the sentence saying that they can hide while observers are nearby.&nbsp; One can only be an observer if you are actually observing.&nbsp; Otherwise you are only a potential observer.&nbsp; If a roll were needed to make you an observer, it would not have said straight out that the subraces were hiding from observers.&nbsp; That sentence would have read, &quot;Naturally Stealthy and Mask of the Wild—do allow members of those subraces to try to hide in their special circumstances even when potential observers are nearby.&quot;</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6962931, member: 23751"] Right. We have the ability to hide in full view. "In full view" means you are being fully directly observed. Someone who is not observed is not in full view of anyone. If you are being directly observed, you are not yet hidden. Then we have the halfling vanishing behind a creature. One cannot vanish except when directly observed. You can only vanish from view. If it were talking about hiding while not being directly observed, the word vanish would not have been used. Next we have "can try to hide" with the wood elf. Trying to hide is an action. Staying hidden involves no action, so it's highly unlikely that the phrase means attempting to stay hidden. Further, as part of the same sentence as the halfling vanishing and the same paragraph as normally you can't hide in full view, the CONTEXT is that the halfling and elf can in fact use their ability to hide while being observed. Lastly, we have the sentence saying that they can hide while observers are nearby. One can only be an observer if you are actually observing. Otherwise you are only a potential observer. If a roll were needed to make you an observer, it would not have said straight out that the subraces were hiding from observers. That sentence would have read, "Naturally Stealthy and Mask of the Wild—do allow members of those subraces to try to hide in their special circumstances even when potential observers are nearby." [/QUOTE]

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