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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6965881" data-attributes="member: 23751">I say that combat is still going, because combat is still going.&nbsp; The elf stopping does not stop combat.&nbsp; It only stops the elf from attacking.&nbsp; And yes, the elf can in fact be attacked while hidden.&nbsp; In AD&amp;D, which is what we are discussing, elves who are invisible or hidden can be attacked.&nbsp; Combat hasn't stopped.We're talking about D&amp;D.&nbsp; Chainmail is not D&amp;D.&nbsp; It's the miniatures wargame that led to D&amp;D.&nbsp; A miniatures wargame has a different design philosophy than an RPG does, so it's little wonder that when you compare apples and carrots(this isn't even the same kind of food), you see differences.&nbsp; When talking about AD&amp;D, elves can be directly observed while hiding and are still in combat when they do hide since they can be attacked still.That's a bunch of hooey.&nbsp; You can attack OR you can do something else.&nbsp; The prohibition is action economy, not some sort of mythical &quot;can't hide while observed&quot; limitation that you want to invent.&nbsp; The rule allows them to hide while 6 inches in front of the face of an attacker, so long as they are in a natural environment.&nbsp; That's a fact.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6965881, member: 23751"] I say that combat is still going, because combat is still going. The elf stopping does not stop combat. It only stops the elf from attacking. And yes, the elf can in fact be attacked while hidden. In AD&D, which is what we are discussing, elves who are invisible or hidden can be attacked. Combat hasn't stopped. We're talking about D&D. Chainmail is not D&D. It's the miniatures wargame that led to D&D. A miniatures wargame has a different design philosophy than an RPG does, so it's little wonder that when you compare apples and carrots(this isn't even the same kind of food), you see differences. When talking about AD&D, elves can be directly observed while hiding and are still in combat when they do hide since they can be attacked still. That's a bunch of hooey. You can attack OR you can do something else. The prohibition is action economy, not some sort of mythical "can't hide while observed" limitation that you want to invent. The rule allows them to hide while 6 inches in front of the face of an attacker, so long as they are in a natural environment. That's a fact. [/QUOTE]

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