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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6967220" data-attributes="member: 6787503">We seem to agree on this. Unless a creature is distracted, blinded, petrified, or unconscious, it is assumed to see anyone from whom its vision is not blocked.My take on this is that the insertion of the word clearly and the addition of the sentence "The DM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding." are of a piece. Taken together they mean that one of the DM's functions is to introduce into play the situations that allow a creature to be able to hide, and that the DM has full discretion over when appropriate circumstances prevail and is not beholden to line-of-sight. I.e., the DM decides if creatures are distracted, what areas are obscured and to what degree, and whether sufficient obstructions are present.I agreed that both are seen clearly in moderate foliage if they are not hidden. I also agreed that the wood elf has the ability to be hidden in moderate foliage and that the human does not. But I would never agree that anyone could be hidden while seen clearly. The two states are mutually exclusive.The wood elf has the ability to be hidden in a situation where creatures could see him if he was not hidden! This doesn't mean that creatures can still see him when he is hidden. It also doesn't mean that creatures don't see him without his becoming hidden first. The wood elf needs to not be seen clearly before he can become hidden, and Mask of the Wild doesn't confer any ability to not be seen clearly before becoming hidden.</blockquote>

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