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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6967680" data-attributes="member: 23751">There is no such idea in existence.&nbsp; At least not in the rules.&nbsp; An elf can go &quot;invisible&quot; and not move from that spot.&nbsp; A fireball can be cast at or near that spot.&nbsp; The only way for the elf not to suffer that attack is for the fireball to be unable to go near it, or for the elf to be immune to everything from fireball to meteor swarm, because invisible.&nbsp; Both of those things are patently absurd, and since I really don't think you're going to argue that there's a rule that elves must move max speed away just in case a fireball comes, the elves are still subject to spell attack.Mini game rules are designed with different goals than RPG rules.&nbsp; Something that makes sense in a miniatures wargame(can't attack an invisible target), no longer makes sense in an RPG and is changed.So you're claiming that a fireball or cloudkill spell cast 5 feet from an invisible elf misses because the elf is fast?That's why I'm using fireball.&nbsp; With a fireball I don't have to know where the elf is.&nbsp; I can guess and still fry the sucker.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6967680, member: 23751"] There is no such idea in existence. At least not in the rules. An elf can go "invisible" and not move from that spot. A fireball can be cast at or near that spot. The only way for the elf not to suffer that attack is for the fireball to be unable to go near it, or for the elf to be immune to everything from fireball to meteor swarm, because invisible. Both of those things are patently absurd, and since I really don't think you're going to argue that there's a rule that elves must move max speed away just in case a fireball comes, the elves are still subject to spell attack. Mini game rules are designed with different goals than RPG rules. Something that makes sense in a miniatures wargame(can't attack an invisible target), no longer makes sense in an RPG and is changed. So you're claiming that a fireball or cloudkill spell cast 5 feet from an invisible elf misses because the elf is fast? That's why I'm using fireball. With a fireball I don't have to know where the elf is. I can guess and still fry the sucker. [/QUOTE]

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