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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6969146" data-attributes="member: 23751">You failed to prove anything other than in melee combat they can't be attacked.&nbsp; Spells are not a part of melee combat.&nbsp; Also, fireball is an &quot;attack&quot;, but not an attack.&nbsp; The quotes mean that it qualifies for things like invisibility which refer to anything hostile and dangerous, but not for melee combat which is specifically called out by invisibility.Consider the following situation.&nbsp; 6 elves are attacking a fighter/magic user and are unaware of the magic user part.&nbsp; They retreat back to a tree and fade from view while being observed.&nbsp; The fighter/magic user still being in combat lobs a fireball at a point near the tree.&nbsp; A second later a ball of fire blossoms and we now have 6 dead elves, nice and crispy.&nbsp; Combat is ended at that moment and not before.Quote something other than melee combat rules will ya?&nbsp; Melee combat rules don't apply to spells and never have.Sure there is.&nbsp; From the 1e PHB.&quot;The magic-user points his or her finger and speaks the range (distance and height) at which the fireball is to burst. A streak flashes from the pointing digit and, unless it impacts upon a material body prior to attaining the prescribed range, flowers into the fireball.&quot;There is no requirement that it target anything.&nbsp; The magic user is allowed to guess anything he wants prior to picking the distance and height.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6969146, member: 23751"] You failed to prove anything other than in melee combat they can't be attacked. Spells are not a part of melee combat. Also, fireball is an "attack", but not an attack. The quotes mean that it qualifies for things like invisibility which refer to anything hostile and dangerous, but not for melee combat which is specifically called out by invisibility. Consider the following situation. 6 elves are attacking a fighter/magic user and are unaware of the magic user part. They retreat back to a tree and fade from view while being observed. The fighter/magic user still being in combat lobs a fireball at a point near the tree. A second later a ball of fire blossoms and we now have 6 dead elves, nice and crispy. Combat is ended at that moment and not before. Quote something other than melee combat rules will ya? Melee combat rules don't apply to spells and never have. Sure there is. From the 1e PHB. "The magic-user points his or her finger and speaks the range (distance and height) at which the fireball is to burst. A streak flashes from the pointing digit and, unless it impacts upon a material body prior to attaining the prescribed range, flowers into the fireball." There is no requirement that it target anything. The magic user is allowed to guess anything he wants prior to picking the distance and height. [/QUOTE]

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