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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 6976863" data-attributes="member: 413">No.&nbsp; We aren't saying that if you are lightly obscured you can automatically hide.&nbsp; You have to have mitigating factors that make hiding appropriate.&nbsp; That's the point of the rules as they are written.&nbsp; They don't require making assumptions about special rules like MotW.A character that is in the woods (light obscurement) can hide while out of sight of the observer (heavy obscurement) and then remain hidden when that observer gains LOS.&nbsp; Any character can do this.&nbsp; This matches my RL experience.&nbsp; Anyone that has ever played in the woods as a child would know this.&nbsp; A wood-elf doesn't have to break LOS.&nbsp; He can hide just be being lightly obscured even while being stared at.&nbsp; But other factors might prevent it...he's wearing jingle bells and is moving, he has brightly colored clothes that contrast with his surroundings.&nbsp; His light obscurement is a fern in the corner of the office....It is up to the DM to decide if it's appropriate.&nbsp;&nbsp; A normal character might be able to hide in the woods without breaking LOS...but it would require some mitigating factor...maybe a significant distraction on the part of the observer.Anyone can lose someone following them in a city by ducking around a corner and then mixing into a crowded market.&nbsp; A halfling doesn't have to bother with the ducking around the corner part as long as some of the people in the market are a size larger than him.&nbsp;&nbsp; A normal character would require some other mitigating factor to attempt to hide in a crowd while the observer has LOS.&nbsp; Again...a distraction or something.What others seem to be saying...maybe I'm missing it...is that you can only hide while heavily obscured because you can see someone clearly in light obscurement AND once you are only lightly obscured you are no longer hidden. That makes the word &quot;clearly&quot; redundant because under what circumstance can a character be seen but not seen clearly if not in light obscurement?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 6976863, member: 413"] No. We aren't saying that if you are lightly obscured you can automatically hide. You have to have mitigating factors that make hiding appropriate. That's the point of the rules as they are written. They don't require making assumptions about special rules like MotW. A character that is in the woods (light obscurement) can hide while out of sight of the observer (heavy obscurement) and then remain hidden when that observer gains LOS. Any character can do this. This matches my RL experience. Anyone that has ever played in the woods as a child would know this. A wood-elf doesn't have to break LOS. He can hide just be being lightly obscured even while being stared at. But other factors might prevent it...he's wearing jingle bells and is moving, he has brightly colored clothes that contrast with his surroundings. His light obscurement is a fern in the corner of the office....It is up to the DM to decide if it's appropriate. A normal character might be able to hide in the woods without breaking LOS...but it would require some mitigating factor...maybe a significant distraction on the part of the observer. Anyone can lose someone following them in a city by ducking around a corner and then mixing into a crowded market. A halfling doesn't have to bother with the ducking around the corner part as long as some of the people in the market are a size larger than him. A normal character would require some other mitigating factor to attempt to hide in a crowd while the observer has LOS. Again...a distraction or something. What others seem to be saying...maybe I'm missing it...is that you can only hide while heavily obscured because you can see someone clearly in light obscurement AND once you are only lightly obscured you are no longer hidden. That makes the word "clearly" redundant because under what circumstance can a character be seen but not seen clearly if not in light obscurement? [/QUOTE]

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